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Was Glenn Dorsey just a once in a lifetime type of player Or....

Posted on 4/1/16 at 12:16 am
Posted by RaginRed
Ohio
Member since Sep 2014
433 posts
Posted on 4/1/16 at 12:16 am
Has anyone ever noticed how our Defensive Tackle talent has slowly slipped into complete mediocrity since Dorsey?

I really miss those days. Glenn Dorsey was an absolute freak. He was one of the MOST disruptive defensive tackles in SEC history. He was an absolute gamer. A game changer on the defensive line. A stat-sheet-stuffer. Since Dorsey there hasn't been much of a force in the middle of our line. It just have progressively gotten worse over the years.

This post was edited on 4/1/16 at 12:17 am
Posted by Peazey
Metry
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25418 posts
Posted on 4/1/16 at 12:17 am to
Those Ben Logan and Michael Brockers guys were horrible. Oh wait.
Posted by RaginRed
Ohio
Member since Sep 2014
433 posts
Posted on 4/1/16 at 12:22 am to
{Those Ben Logan and Michael Brockers guys were horrible. Oh wait.}


Logan/Brockers combined Career stats
23 TFL - 7 Sacks

DORSEY career
27 TFL - 13 Sacks


ya.....about that
Posted by someoldhussy
Candyland
Member since Jun 2007
2439 posts
Posted on 4/1/16 at 12:22 am to
Plus Rickey Jean-Francois is still in the league, and Ego Ferguson was a 2nd rounder.
Posted by NOSA
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/1/16 at 12:24 am to
2007 Bronko Nagurski Award
2007 Consensus All-America
2007 John Outland Trophy
2007 Ronnie Lott Trophy
2007 SEC Defensive Player of the Year
2007 Vince Lombardi Award

I mean yeah... those type of defensive tackles aren't on your team that often.
This post was edited on 4/1/16 at 12:25 am
Posted by RaginRed
Ohio
Member since Sep 2014
433 posts
Posted on 4/1/16 at 12:25 am to
Ya, LSU pumps out a lot of NFL players, I know that. Not saying that we haven't had anyone good since Dorsey. I'm just saying NO ONE has come remotely close to being a disruptive force on the DLINE like Glenn was. No one has played like that at LSU since he left.
Posted by Peazey
Metry
Member since Apr 2012
25418 posts
Posted on 4/1/16 at 12:25 am to
Yeah, about those mediocre first round draft picks. Our defensive line has sucked since Dorsey. I know this is the rant, but please stop being a moron.
Posted by Peazey
Metry
Member since Apr 2012
25418 posts
Posted on 4/1/16 at 12:26 am to
quote:

Has anyone ever noticed how our Defensive Tackle talent has slowly slipped into complete mediocrity since Dorsey?


quote:

Not saying that we haven't had anyone good since Dorsey.


Yes. Yes, you are.
Posted by iamAG
Member since Aug 2015
3517 posts
Posted on 4/1/16 at 12:28 am to
Sacks are definitely the tell all for a defensive tackle....


Dorsey was the best defensive tackle we have had in a long time...heck maybe ever, but using sacks as an indicator for a defensive tackle makes me think you know nothing about football.
Posted by RaginRed
Ohio
Member since Sep 2014
433 posts
Posted on 4/1/16 at 12:29 am to
And I'm NOT talking about the NFL MORON, I'm talking about LSU. My OP is talking about what Dorsey did WHILE playing at LSU. Brockers and Logan were great talents no doubt that's why they went to tha LEAGUE but WHILE IN COLLEGE they didn't produce like Dorsey did. Not even combined! That's my point.
Posted by lsufan_26
Member since Feb 2004
12559 posts
Posted on 4/1/16 at 12:29 am to
Not every DT that comes to LSU is expected to win the Nagurski Award, Lombardi Award, Outland Trophy, Lott Award, be a Bednarik Finalist, consensus All-American, first team All-American (twice), first-team All-SEC (twice), and SEC Defensive Player of the Year. We've had some good ones since 2007, but Dorsey was a VERY special player.
This post was edited on 4/1/16 at 12:36 am
Posted by NOSA
Member since Jan 2004
9626 posts
Posted on 4/1/16 at 12:34 am to
Drake Nevis was pretty damn good his senior year as well.

And Brockers was a monster while only a RS sophomore, not everything a DT does shows up in stats.
Posted by RaginRed
Ohio
Member since Sep 2014
433 posts
Posted on 4/1/16 at 12:39 am to
quote:

using sacks as an indicator for a defensive tackle makes me think you know nothing about football.


I know there is more to playing defensive tackle than sack's and tackles for loss. Taking on double teams, maintaining leverage, and gap control to stuff a hole is key. Spilling the play outside for the linebacker or plugging a hole in hopes that the play is a loss even if you don't make the tackle. That's all fine and dandy. But Dorsey was all over the field. He did all that and STILL was a freak individually. He wreaked havoc. We just haven't had a force like that since he left. That's all im saying.
Posted by iamAG
Member since Aug 2015
3517 posts
Posted on 4/1/16 at 12:44 am to
I agree with all of that.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
16454 posts
Posted on 4/1/16 at 12:54 am to
quote:

Logan/Brockers combined Career stats
23 TFL - 7 Sacks

DORSEY career
27 TFL - 13 Sacks


This may not be a fair comparison. Brockers only played 2 seasons and only started one. I know Bennie left early as well but I think he started in both '11 and '12.
Posted by KamaCausey_LSU
Member since Apr 2013
14536 posts
Posted on 4/1/16 at 1:06 am to
Davon Godchaux is criminally underrated. I honestly think he is our best interior lineman since Glenn Dorsey. (Yeah, I know that's saying a LOT.) Hopefully the new defense doesn't put him out of position.

But to answer your question. Yes, Glenn Dorsey at LSU was a generational talent, and we will likely never have a more decorated defensive lineman.


ETA: Piggybacking off of these stats.
quote:

Logan/Brockers combined Career stats 23 TFL - 7 Sacks


Godchaux had 6 sacks last year, almost as many as Logan/Brockers had in their career.
This post was edited on 4/1/16 at 1:15 am
Posted by JakeFromStateFarm
*wears khakis
Member since Jun 2012
11911 posts
Posted on 4/1/16 at 1:17 am to
Dorsey was arguably the best defensive lineman to ever play at LSU (he definitely was the most decorated). It would be like looking at every running back we get from here on out and going "Well he's no Leonard Fournette."
Posted by la_birdman
Lake Charles
Member since Feb 2005
31014 posts
Posted on 4/1/16 at 1:56 am to
quote:

And I'm NOT talking about the NFL MORON, I'm talking about LSU. That's my point.




Actually Brockers, Logan, Nevis, Ego Ferguson and others were very good during their time at LSU.

I will grant you that none were as decorated as Dorsey but all were a force and got in the way of opposing foes.



That's a fair enough statement.




This post was edited on 4/1/16 at 1:58 am
Posted by IgotKINGfisherSpeed
Arlington, TX
Member since Aug 2011
4516 posts
Posted on 4/1/16 at 2:04 am to
OP has a point. The DT position has declined since Dorsey.
Posted by KG5989
Das Boot
Member since Oct 2010
16324 posts
Posted on 4/1/16 at 3:48 am to
quote:

This may not be a fair comparison.

It's not at all.

Dorsey started 31 games at LSU and played in 52. Brockers started in 15 games and played in 27. Logan started 25 games and played in 30. Dorsey started more games than Brockers / Logan appeared in. Dorsey played in 22 more games than Logan and 25 more games than Brockers. When someone plays in that many more games than another, they tend to have more production and stats... Obviously.

Dorsey stats as a full time starter: 133 tackles, 21 TFL, 10 sacks (2 seasons). So averages out to 66.5tackles, 11 TFL, 5 sacks per year.

Logan stats as a full time starter: 102 tackles, 12 TFL, 5 sacks (2 seasons). Averages out to 51tackles, 6 TFL, 2.5sacks per year.

Brockers stats as a full time starter: 54 tackles, 10 TFL, 2 sacks (1 season).

Dorsey is the best DT we have ever had at LSU. Dude was awesome. But strictly going off of career stats is a stupid way to judge / compare players, especially when you are comparing their stats to a player that played in 22 and 25 more games than the other guys. Look at the per year averages as a full time starter... Dorsey still out produces the other 2, but it's a fairer way and a lot closer than just going off their career stats, considering Dorsey was on the field for wayyy more games than the other 2.

I'm not saying these guys were as good as Dorsey or even on the same level as him. Because they aren't. Dorsey is the best DT we've ever had and arguably the best defensive player we have ever had. But to say that they were mediocre at LSU is just wrong. They were very good at LSU and very productive starters. It's not like there's this massive difference in per year averages as starters between them and Dorsey.
This post was edited on 4/1/16 at 4:05 am
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