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re: Walker probable Game 2 starter

Posted on 6/16/17 at 3:22 pm to
Posted by LSUBaseballGod82
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
16425 posts
Posted on 6/16/17 at 3:22 pm to
Win Game 1 and Win Game 2 then game 3 is on Friday, yes.

Win/lose or lose/win then we're playing Game 3 on Wednesday.
Posted by Ray Finkle
Collier county
Member since Sep 2007
1654 posts
Posted on 6/16/17 at 3:22 pm to
Seniors getting drafted in the top 10 rounds doesn't mean anything. It's only done because the mlb club's can offer them $100 and a plane ticket then say "take it or leave it". They have zero negotiating power and the club will save a shite ton of money in their bonus pool to sign guys they really want based off what they saved signing the top 10 round picks under slot.

Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
71802 posts
Posted on 6/16/17 at 3:23 pm to
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So even if Lange is available for that 3rd game Friday you still go with Poche just because he hasn't pitched yet?



Yes, because you want Lange pitching game 1 of the championship series if at all possible. Considering in that position you have two games to win one, then you try and not pitch Lange twice before the championship series if you're not facing elimination.
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
71802 posts
Posted on 6/16/17 at 3:25 pm to
Poche's ability to pitch to contact is taylor-made for TD Ameritrade, just like it is for him in Hoover. The dimensions and the way the ball travels and you need a damn-near perfect swing to drive one out.

He was doing just fine against TCU in 2015 until he forgot how to throw the ball to 1st.
Posted by LSUvet72
Member since Sep 2013
12163 posts
Posted on 6/16/17 at 3:26 pm to
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Yes but he pitched a simulated game on Tuesday


Why would you pitch your No. 3 slot or 2 slot player on Tuesday....this to me is stupid beyond belief... this forces LSU to pitch Poche' in No. 2 game with no posibility of substituting Walker if Poche' screws up early
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
71802 posts
Posted on 6/16/17 at 3:26 pm to
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Why would you pitch your No. 3 slot or 2 slot player on Tuesday....this to me is stupid beyond belief... this forces LSU to pitch Poche' in No. 2 game with no posibility of substituting Walker if Poche' screws up early



Are you stupid?
Posted by Tiltinallin
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2012
676 posts
Posted on 6/16/17 at 3:28 pm to
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Yes, because you want Lange pitching game 1 of the championship series if at all possible. Considering in that position you have two games to win one, then you try and not pitch Lange twice before the championship series if you're not facing elimination.


So if Poche's loses first game, you throw Lange on Saturday and lose a day of rest for Lange?

The tourney is set up so you can throw your ace three times if you win. Game 1, game that gets you to championship and one game in champion
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
24147 posts
Posted on 6/16/17 at 3:28 pm to
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They're very patient at that plate. I think they are near the tops in the nation in walks drawn.


Yeah, but they also strike out a ton. As a team, LSU has 380 strike outs, while FSU has 503.

They have somewhat strange offensive numbers: batting average and slugging percentage are on the low side, but they score and drive in a lot of runs. High on base percentage and walk numbers, but they swing away and miss.
This post was edited on 6/16/17 at 3:30 pm
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
21371 posts
Posted on 6/16/17 at 3:29 pm to
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So even if Lange is available for that 3rd game Friday you still go with Poche just because he hasn't pitched yet?


Hell yeah. That would mean that we won the first two games, and now have to be beaten twice.

Poche is thrown out there versus the other teams ace, more than likely in a must win situation. We all know what Poche is capable of (good and bad), so if you win that game with Poche it's awesome. If you lose that game then you have Lange pitching Saturday, going up against their #2 or 3 pitcher. I like those odds.

Of course, another way to look at it is...throw Lange Friday no matter what and try to get that win so that he comes back for a possible game 3 of the championship series on Wednesday.

Saving him until Saturday would be asking a whole lot to get him to come back on Wednesday and pitch in the final game 3 if needed.

I wish they gave a little more time between the if needed Saturday game and the start of the championship series.

If you think about it though, every other team is in the same boat as us, and nobody outside of maybe Florida, has the horses that we have pitching.
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
71802 posts
Posted on 6/16/17 at 3:31 pm to
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So if Poche's loses first game, you throw Lange on Saturday and lose a day of rest for Lange?



Yes.

Because if you pitch Poche in the 2-0 game and win, Lange starts game 1 of championship series. If you pitch Lange in the 2-0 game and win, Lange doesn't start until game 3 if necessary.

If you start Lange in 2-0 game and lose, Lange still doesn't start until game 3 if necessary.
Posted by Dizz
Member since May 2008
14811 posts
Posted on 6/16/17 at 3:31 pm to
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Poche's ability to pitch to contact is taylor-made for TD Ameritrade, just like it is for him in Hoover.


I agree but Poche's problem this year has been when can't find the zone and walks people. This goes hand in hand with his curve ball getting lazy and leaving fastballs over the plate.

I am willing to bet should LSU advance to the driver's seat game Poche will start it. Lange would start game two should they lose.
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
21371 posts
Posted on 6/16/17 at 3:32 pm to
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Why would you pitch your No. 3 slot or 2 slot player on Tuesday....this to me is stupid beyond belief... this forces LSU to pitch Poche' in No. 2 game with no posibility of substituting Walker if Poche' screws up early


Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
71802 posts
Posted on 6/16/17 at 3:32 pm to
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I agree but Poche's problem this year has been when can't find the zone and walks people


It's a lot easier to find the zone when there is no real home run threat... think about his last good start in Hoover.
Posted by Tiltinallin
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2012
676 posts
Posted on 6/16/17 at 3:34 pm to
If we go 2-0, with Lange and walker, I can't see us pitching Lange a s cons time before Poche pitches once
Posted by LSUvet72
Member since Sep 2013
12163 posts
Posted on 6/16/17 at 3:35 pm to
No, you and PM are stupid to stress Walker's arm in an unnecessary simulated game Tuesday/
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
21371 posts
Posted on 6/16/17 at 3:36 pm to
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No, you and PM are stupid to stress Walker's arm in an unnecessary simulated game Tuesday


You are dumber than a box of rocks.
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
71802 posts
Posted on 6/16/17 at 3:38 pm to
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No, you and PM are stupid to stress Walker's arm in an unnecessary simulated game Tuesday


Do you not know how pitching works?
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
21371 posts
Posted on 6/16/17 at 3:40 pm to
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Do you not know how pitching works?


Apparently he has no clue what a simulated game is.
Posted by TriDitty
New Iberia
Member since Aug 2016
1272 posts
Posted on 6/16/17 at 3:42 pm to
"Will be very curious to see how disciplined they are against Lange's curveball in the dirt or off the plate. He gets lots of swings and misses on that pitch, which often is NOT a strike."






Well that's just it though. When a pitcher is starting the ball off in the same spot but it is either a fastball, or a curve that either breaks a little or a lot in the dirt, being "patient" at the plate isn't really something that comes into play with two strikes. That's where the strike outs happen when they swing at balls in the dirt.

This is pretty basic baseball knowledge.
This post was edited on 6/16/17 at 3:48 pm
Posted by LSUvet72
Member since Sep 2013
12163 posts
Posted on 6/16/17 at 3:50 pm to
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Do you not know how pitching works?.... Apparently he does not know what a simulated game is


Should a major starting pitcher who has shown perfect control in last two outtings( and may pitch in game No. 2 against FSU leading nation in walks) have severe arm ache after a simulated game on the eve of the CWS? I say no way should that happen but there is rumor that it has and may force Poche' to pitch game 2 who though he is a seasoned senior suddenly lost his control after a MS homerun and walked MS players until his removal
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