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re: Video of M. Dupre checking with line judge on that illegal formation penalty
Posted on 9/26/15 at 9:15 pm to southernelite
Posted on 9/26/15 at 9:15 pm to southernelite
The ref does signal the outside guy. However, both wide receivers will normally signal to the ref whether they are on or off, and the ref will sometimes tell them step back or step up.
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Posted on 9/26/15 at 9:15 pm to jg8623
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IT WASNT CALLED ON DUPRE YOU IDIOTS
Illegal formation is not a single player penalty boss
Posted on 9/26/15 at 9:16 pm to Mr.Perfect
Well, usually it's one person that lines up incorrectly. LSU doesn't really get in any fancy formations, so its easy to tell who fricked up.
Posted on 9/26/15 at 9:36 pm to Bigbuick
We need to get our shite together
Posted on 9/26/15 at 9:37 pm to southernelite
In the video, Dupre was BEHIND Dural, and then checked with the ref to confirm that he was off the line, and was apparently told to back up, the implication being that his prior position, which was farther from the line than Dural, was too close to the line to be considered "off the line".
It makes no sense to tell Dupre to back up and then flag someone who was in front of Dupre's original spot.
It makes no sense to tell Dupre to back up and then flag someone who was in front of Dupre's original spot.
This post was edited on 9/26/15 at 9:41 pm
Posted on 9/26/15 at 9:45 pm to studentsect
dural should not be making these mistakes as a 4th year player
Posted on 9/26/15 at 10:04 pm to Bigbuick
quote:
He was on the line of scrimmage and then stepped back
I don't think he was ever on the line of scrimmage.
He was confused...or Dural was clueless. One of those guys needed to be on the line.
Posted on 9/26/15 at 10:13 pm to Bigbuick
Dupre was aware of the problem and I guess he thought both of them were on the line so he stepped back. However, neither were on the line so he should have stepped up to have the right formation. The worst part is, Dural had nothing to do with the play and Dupre to distract #23 enough, but I'm not sure that guy would have tackled Fournette anyway.
Posted on 9/26/15 at 10:13 pm to monsterballads
Why is something like this still a penalty?!? I mean I could see if someone was running the wing t or something but the receivers don't have an imaginary chalk line that they can see! Every single play in every single game the receivers are checking with the refs because they obviously could be off my a shoe or two!! I'm watching the ucla blowout right now and every play could technically called bc this is so frickin subjective.
Football is becoming difficult to watch with all these penalties. Not just this one not just on LSU but in general. I can understand the nfl bc these are PROFESSIONALS - MASTERS OF THEIR CRAFT! This is ther damn job! We're talking here about 18 yo kids that are students FIRST and athletes SECOND! Where the ncaa limits their practices and in turn punishes them for not being error free.
Something needs to be done. Either review every penalty or have a general rule where if the penalty does not have any bearing on the play whatsoever, let the play stand and penalize the very next play.
Also need to have centralized referee committee for all games. I want a ref from the north south east and west in every game.
Ok I'm done(and drunk) just had to "rant" there for a minute. Just think it's been getting progressively worse and frickin worse
Carry on.....
Football is becoming difficult to watch with all these penalties. Not just this one not just on LSU but in general. I can understand the nfl bc these are PROFESSIONALS - MASTERS OF THEIR CRAFT! This is ther damn job! We're talking here about 18 yo kids that are students FIRST and athletes SECOND! Where the ncaa limits their practices and in turn punishes them for not being error free.
Something needs to be done. Either review every penalty or have a general rule where if the penalty does not have any bearing on the play whatsoever, let the play stand and penalize the very next play.
Also need to have centralized referee committee for all games. I want a ref from the north south east and west in every game.
Ok I'm done(and drunk) just had to "rant" there for a minute. Just think it's been getting progressively worse and frickin worse
Carry on.....
Posted on 9/26/15 at 10:15 pm to Bigbuick
Posted on 9/26/15 at 10:19 pm to Jizzamo311
quote:
Wasn't it called on Dural?
I saw somewhere that Miles said both asked the ref before they lined up.
Posted on 9/26/15 at 10:22 pm to Datbayoubengal
Link?
Posted on 9/26/15 at 10:35 pm to tygersgm
LSU had six on the line of scrimmage, because Dural was a yard back and Dupre was 2 yards back of the line. That's the call, Les said that both guys checked with the ref, but ultimately it's up to them to be lined up correctly.
Still a bunch of crap considering line of scrimmage calls should be made for linemen or players looking to get an advantage blocking, none of which affected that play.
Still a bunch of crap considering line of scrimmage calls should be made for linemen or players looking to get an advantage blocking, none of which affected that play.
Posted on 9/26/15 at 11:00 pm to Bigbuick
I think the "5th back" is actually the TE on the other side (Jeter?)
Posted on 9/26/15 at 11:13 pm to I20goon
TE was definitely on the line, obviously one of the WRs was supposed to be on.
Posted on 9/26/15 at 11:26 pm to Bigbuick
The left tackle looked like he was in the backfield
Posted on 9/26/15 at 11:28 pm to MOT
It was the sideline ref on the opposite side of the camera that threw the flag. Granted, can not see the ref on this side with Dupre/Dural, but there's no reason for the ref on the other side to be throwing his flag unless it's on that side.
ETA: that would be the tackle, not a TE. but it looks to me like it's on that left side.
ETA: that would be the tackle, not a TE. but it looks to me like it's on that left side.
This post was edited on 9/26/15 at 11:30 pm
Posted on 9/26/15 at 11:37 pm to tygersgm
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Why is something like this still a penalty?!
Because it would royally frick the defense if it wasn't.
Every player off the LOS is an eligible receiver and every player that is on the LOS but uncovered(think TE, slot receiver in flex formations) is eligible. having 5 men in the back field means there is an extra eligible receiver, meaning the defense doesn't know who is gonna go out on a passing route, meaning they won't know how to align themselves, or who has who in man coverage. Same reason why if a tackle checks in to a game as a tight end, the refs announce that he is an eligible receiver.
Posted on 9/26/15 at 11:40 pm to I20goon
Just because he threw it doesn't mean it was on his side, that means nothing. And the end man on the line on that side was a TE, not a tackle. There is no need to over complicate this. It's obvious both receivers were off and one of them should have been on.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 12:07 am to jg8623
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So you watch football and have never seen a slot guy be on the line? It happens all the time and he can still be eligible as long as another receiver outside of him isn't on the line
Ok I don't know why there is so much confusion, isn't the rule simply that there has to be at least 7 players on the line on offense. And as such there can only be 4 players off the line, at least one yard off the line of scrimmage, or in the backfield.
And with this formation, both receivers would have to be on the line?
This post was edited on 9/27/15 at 12:10 am
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