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Posted on 1/4/17 at 6:46 pm to jprice4608
When I played, the only artificial turf was AstroTurf in the Dome in Houston. We all played on grass in HS. My opinion is that natural turf is more forgiving when you cut or have you're foot planted...the grass would give before the knee or ankle. I can't remember very many serious knee injuries on grass. Just my opinion.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 7:39 pm to radicalizedtigah
There are far fewer injuries on natural grass than on artificial turf.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 8:11 pm to radicalizedtigah
Artificial turf can be beneficial in some cases, but my feelings ring true with many others on here that sports should be played on real grass and in real dirt. Texas Tech University baseball has abandoned the idea of both....
Posted on 1/4/17 at 10:51 pm to GetmorewithLes
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Cheaper is a relative term. Field Turf costs over a $1Mil on a field.
Right, but that is a "one time" cost. Grass fields are often re-sodded and require maintenance staff to mow, water, fertilize, and paint( weekly during the season).
However, I do believe those artificial turfs do have a certain lifetime, so $1 million ever 5 or so years would be costly, if that's how long they last. And I think they have to add rubber pellets occasionally?
Posted on 1/4/17 at 11:05 pm to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
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Texas Tech University baseball has abandoned the idea of both
Damn. Can't even get the pretty white uni's all dirt stained up from sliding to second, third or home? Completely un-American. I am living in the wrong era.
Texas Tech University baseball has abandoned the idea of both
Damn. Can't even get the pretty white uni's all dirt stained up from sliding to second, third or home? Completely un-American. I am living in the wrong era.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 11:27 pm to Sand castles
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Don't try to change anything with this group. They don't like change.
Don't like change? Like a change at the quarterback position or change of head coach? Nah I don't think any of us have ever asked for that.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 11:31 pm to radicalizedtigah
Anyone have statistics on injuries on grass vs turf to justify such a stupid suggestion?
Unless you're playing in a dome or don't have the money to maintain, it should be grass. Just my two cents.
Unless you're playing in a dome or don't have the money to maintain, it should be grass. Just my two cents.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 11:34 pm to radicalizedtigah
I did my Masters degree final project (2012) on the benefits of athletics programs installed artificial turf vs. maintaining natural grass fields.
For HS & MS athletic programs with multi-use fields, the data proved that it is overwhelmingly beneficial to install artificial turf. The costs to the public school systems to maintain high use fields all year long combined with the lawsuit damages being awarded to injured players due to poorly/improperly maintained facilities are far higher than the 5-10 year installment & replacement of an artificial surface.
Districts in better areas find themselves installing artificial turf on the game field as well as the practice field (often times also with lighting) to increase field space scheduling availability & use.
What ends up happening is the high schools get the good fields & middle schools as well as city organizations end up holding their games on the better fields. Revenues from facility rentals by the city organizations & summer camps/clinics/marching band events/etc help offset the costs of the artificial turf. But again, the SAVINGS on NOT having injury lawsuits against the districts saves countless dollars. Neglect is all but impossible now. Lastly, grass space previously used as partial practice field space is now no longer needed & older schools can build new buildings/facilities in its place. Thereby, shifting the cost/savings of the intials artificial surface installation into even better favor for the school district/tax payers.
To combat the heat in most areas, a retention pond or water well system is also part of the field turf installation. Most newly constructed schools since 2010 come standard with a retention pond. The sprinkler system is run thru the water option to keep the artificial grass cool but more importantly CLEAN. Staph grows fairly easily on the field surface, primarily after football games/practices.
The artificial surfaces come with warranties for small tears & the like to be repaired/replaced. The only real maintaining of the surface comes with adding the rubber pellets every few months & "combing" the surface with a drag behind a 4wheeler every so often.
For Ag centric colleges, such as LSU, the continuation of use of grass fields is multi-faceted. The next best reason, behind tradition, to keep grass is the fact that facilities are not neary as multi-use as HS fields & Ag schools execute all manner of education on the fields. Semester after semester quality testing is executed on every field on campus. The on-campus access to so many pristine grass fields is worth its weight in gold to keep them. The savings of traveling students & faculty as well as their testing & maintenance materials/tools/machinery is incalculable.
For HS & MS athletic programs with multi-use fields, the data proved that it is overwhelmingly beneficial to install artificial turf. The costs to the public school systems to maintain high use fields all year long combined with the lawsuit damages being awarded to injured players due to poorly/improperly maintained facilities are far higher than the 5-10 year installment & replacement of an artificial surface.
Districts in better areas find themselves installing artificial turf on the game field as well as the practice field (often times also with lighting) to increase field space scheduling availability & use.
What ends up happening is the high schools get the good fields & middle schools as well as city organizations end up holding their games on the better fields. Revenues from facility rentals by the city organizations & summer camps/clinics/marching band events/etc help offset the costs of the artificial turf. But again, the SAVINGS on NOT having injury lawsuits against the districts saves countless dollars. Neglect is all but impossible now. Lastly, grass space previously used as partial practice field space is now no longer needed & older schools can build new buildings/facilities in its place. Thereby, shifting the cost/savings of the intials artificial surface installation into even better favor for the school district/tax payers.
To combat the heat in most areas, a retention pond or water well system is also part of the field turf installation. Most newly constructed schools since 2010 come standard with a retention pond. The sprinkler system is run thru the water option to keep the artificial grass cool but more importantly CLEAN. Staph grows fairly easily on the field surface, primarily after football games/practices.
The artificial surfaces come with warranties for small tears & the like to be repaired/replaced. The only real maintaining of the surface comes with adding the rubber pellets every few months & "combing" the surface with a drag behind a 4wheeler every so often.
For Ag centric colleges, such as LSU, the continuation of use of grass fields is multi-faceted. The next best reason, behind tradition, to keep grass is the fact that facilities are not neary as multi-use as HS fields & Ag schools execute all manner of education on the fields. Semester after semester quality testing is executed on every field on campus. The on-campus access to so many pristine grass fields is worth its weight in gold to keep them. The savings of traveling students & faculty as well as their testing & maintenance materials/tools/machinery is incalculable.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 11:54 pm to radicalizedtigah
Turf is also rough on the players feet and legs. Their feet and legs hurt worse when they play on turf and they hurt less when playing on grass
Posted on 1/4/17 at 11:57 pm to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
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Texas Tech University baseball has abandoned the idea of both....
Well besides the mound but yeah at least 3 college teams in Louisiana play on field turf.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 12:04 am to sta4ever
This point is getting improved upon by the artificial turf field manufacturers. The stuff coming out since late 2015 is testing near equivalent to natural grass. It'll be better before 2020.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 12:16 am to forever lsu30
You should be a Salesman. Good stuff. Still want TS using grass but it does make sense for smaller schools and high schools. The problem is costs on the turf itself up front. Many high schools don't have the boosters to help buy it.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 12:23 am to radicalizedtigah
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Unlike LSU
Wrong. No school that matters has turf.
Why do you want it exactly?
Posted on 1/5/17 at 1:48 am to mtheob17
I'd love to sell it. Great margins.
School districts are set up differently all over the country. Some pay for all the faciliies to be upgraded by way of a tax, mill, parish/county investment. Others tell the schools to raise the funds themselves but they stipulate it has to be used by at least all school sports/activities, boys & girls.
The more affluent districts bring in a ton of revenue with all of the events they're smart enough to host. Ones with hotels & restaurants near the school(s) do very well all year long.
Once you get behind the local red tape & egos, everyone sees the light in the end.
School districts are set up differently all over the country. Some pay for all the faciliies to be upgraded by way of a tax, mill, parish/county investment. Others tell the schools to raise the funds themselves but they stipulate it has to be used by at least all school sports/activities, boys & girls.
The more affluent districts bring in a ton of revenue with all of the events they're smart enough to host. Ones with hotels & restaurants near the school(s) do very well all year long.
Once you get behind the local red tape & egos, everyone sees the light in the end.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 7:44 am to SportTiger1
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Wrong. No school that matters has turf.
Plenty of big time programs have turf...
Ohio State
Michigan
Notre Dame
Texas
Arkansas
Louisville
Iowa
Nebraska
WIsconsin
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
Just to name a few. I think something like 90 programs across the nation use field turf.
For Arkansas, it is more a matter of not being able to get grass to root properly in the stadium. Prior to the installation of the new turf in 2009, Arkansas had a natural grass field. Because the field did not get enough sunlight in the stadium, coupled with the soil in the Ozarks, the field would be dug up by halftime and chunks would be all over the field.
Im sure there are a mixture of things that go into getting turf. Some schools though, do it more for the "shock" factor IMO. Those with colored fields are just ugly.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 8:27 am to radicalizedtigah
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It seems it would be more appealing to players.
Opposite actually, most players prefer grass. I always hated playing on turf fields, it's a harder surface and you can't make the same kind of cuts, it also gets really slick when even slightly wet.
For whatever it's worth you do play faster on it, but not enough to outweigh the above mentioned
Posted on 1/5/17 at 10:15 am to radicalizedtigah
Nobody has mentioned that its hot as balls on turf during August and September. SO playing on turf sucks during those months.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 10:23 am to LSUfan00
I count 3 times it's been mentioned, now 4.
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