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Posted on 9/12/09 at 2:36 am to Night Man
First off douchebag, I said most not all majors LSU is equivalent or better. Tulane definitely has several elite programs.
Ummm... LSU engineering is much better than Tulane's and that is without question. Furthermore, Tulane realized this after Katrina and sacked all of its Engineering departments outside of ChemE (LSU is much better) and BME (LSU has BE since Mike Foster was a dumbass and let LaTech stop LSU from getting a full BME department).
As for business, their finance is great at Tulane, yet LSU has several programs highly ranked in Business. If I recall correctly, the LSU internal auditing program is tops in the country.
Furthermore, Tulane does give some assitance, but their tuition is higher than Harvard's and Yale's. While you may think their quality of students is the best of the best, I disagree simply by my interaction with Tulane Alums.
My overall point is that LSU is not responsible to maintain Tulane's athletic department. The school can collapse for all I care, because it is not a Louisiana school no matter how it tries to sell itself. It is a private institution and shouldn't need handouts from LSU for its football program, PERIOD.
Ummm... LSU engineering is much better than Tulane's and that is without question. Furthermore, Tulane realized this after Katrina and sacked all of its Engineering departments outside of ChemE (LSU is much better) and BME (LSU has BE since Mike Foster was a dumbass and let LaTech stop LSU from getting a full BME department).
As for business, their finance is great at Tulane, yet LSU has several programs highly ranked in Business. If I recall correctly, the LSU internal auditing program is tops in the country.
Furthermore, Tulane does give some assitance, but their tuition is higher than Harvard's and Yale's. While you may think their quality of students is the best of the best, I disagree simply by my interaction with Tulane Alums.
My overall point is that LSU is not responsible to maintain Tulane's athletic department. The school can collapse for all I care, because it is not a Louisiana school no matter how it tries to sell itself. It is a private institution and shouldn't need handouts from LSU for its football program, PERIOD.
Posted on 9/13/09 at 2:08 pm to GeauxBob
LSU is better than Tulane academically. Tulane does not have the range and scope of graduate programs and research of LSU. LSU gets more in research money than Tulane. LSU offers more Master's and Ph.D. programs than Tulane and LSU offers a DVM, Law, and medical degrees.
LSU offers Masters and Ph.D.s in programs like Geography and Food Science and that you can't even get a bachelor's in. You cannot get a Ph.D. in political science and socilology at Tulane, but you can at LSU. You cannot get a ph.d. in statistics and English at Tulane.
News flash for you Greenie Weenies, the majority of you academeic pograms rank below LSU.
LSU offers Masters and Ph.D.s in programs like Geography and Food Science and that you can't even get a bachelor's in. You cannot get a Ph.D. in political science and socilology at Tulane, but you can at LSU. You cannot get a ph.d. in statistics and English at Tulane.
News flash for you Greenie Weenies, the majority of you academeic pograms rank below LSU.
Posted on 9/13/09 at 2:36 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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LSU is better than Tulane academically.
You people are unbelievably delusional
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LSU offers Masters and Ph.D.s in programs like Geography and Food Science and that you can't even get a bachelor's in.
That is ridiculously stupid. I also don't really care about graduate programs. Tulane is an undergraduate focused institution and dominates LSU in that regard.
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he majority of you academeic pograms rank below LSU.
Not being able to spell academic doesn't help your argument. You are also full of shite BTW
This post was edited on 9/13/09 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 9/13/09 at 2:41 pm to Night Man
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That is ridiculously stupid. I also don't really care about graduate programs. Tulane is an undergraduate focused institution and dominates LSU in that regard.
That's why Tulane is below LSU in academics. The best universities have graduate and research programs of high quality. Tulane is hundreds of millions of dollars below LSU in research.
Better professors want to be at graduate programs and programs that offer Ph.D.s. That's how academics work. There is a hierarchy to institutions. LSU has a lot more graduate programs than Tulane. Better professors go to places with graduate programs to conduct research teach graduates and undergraduates.
Taking a class from professors who teach graduate students means that undergraduates get a better education. Heck graduate students teaching classes at LSU do a better job than most faculty at places like Tulane.
Look at the research and graduate programs, LSU is better and offers more than Tulane. Students at LSU have professors who are better than Tulane.
Posted on 9/13/09 at 2:44 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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That's why Tulane is below LSU in academics. The best universities have graduate and research programs of high quality.
I'm not trying to be an a-hole here, but you are either incredibly stupid or incredibly delusional if you honestly believe that LSU is a better university than Tulane. Like I posted earlier, in every conceivable statistical measurement Tulane stomps a hole in LSU....especially at the undergraduate level. We can post stats and actual facts if you like, but that will make you look foolish. Do you believe that LSU is a better university than Emory or Rice because you offer more PhD programs? The idea that LSU's professors are better is also laughably ignorant. You guys need to worry about catching up with schools like Alabama and Auburn academically before you set your sights on highly selective private universities.
Posted on 9/13/09 at 2:46 pm to TuDog
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Tulane just wants to play
Then why don't they start...
TEAM STATISTICS BYU Tulane
First Downs 35 9
Passing 20 5
Rushing 12 4
Penalty 3 0
TOTAL NET YARDS 527 162
Total Plays 79 52
Average Gain Per Play 6.7 3.1
NET YARDS RUSHING 206 37
Rushes 45 24
Average Per Rush 4.6 1.5
NET YARDS PASSING 321 125
Completions-Attempts 26 - 34 20 - 28
Yards Per Pass Play 9.4 4.5
Times Sacked 0 3
Yards Lost to Sacks 0 -19
Had Intercepted 1 2
PUNTS 0 5
Average Punt - 37.0
PENALTIES 5 10
Penalty Yards 47 102
FUMBLES 0 2
Fumbles Lost 0 2
Posted on 9/13/09 at 2:56 pm to Night Man
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I'm not trying to be an a-hole here, but you are either incredibly stupid or incredibly delusional if you honestly believe that LSU is a better university than Tulane. Like I posted earlier, in every conceivable statistical measurement Tulane stomps a hole in LSU....especially at the undergraduate level. We can post stats and actual facts if you like, but that will make you look foolish. Do you believe that LSU is a better university than Emory or Rice because you offer more PhD programs? The idea that LSU's professors are better is also laughably ignorant. You guys need to worry about catching up with schools like Alabama and Auburn academically before you set your sights on highly selective private universities.
You are the delusional one. As an institute of higher learning and advancing knowledge the scope and size of LSU research and graduate and undergraduate programs blows away Tulane.
If you're so concerned about numbers and rankings look at who gets more federal research dollars. It's not even close. As far as facutly the fact that LSU offers Ph.D.s in political science and english while Tulane does not proves that faculty at LSU are better in a wide range of programs. You see the highest degrees and the highest levels of learning are conducted at the graduate level. A person on facutly in Political Science, English, Sociology, and Georgraphy for example is at a better program than corresponding programs at Tulane because the best faculty want to be at places that offer the highest and best degrees. A ph.d. is better than a master's. No one at Tulane who graduated with a masters is better than someone with a ph.d. from LSU.
Go ahead and look up federal research dollars. But in the end LSU as a place of learning and knowledge and education is better than Tulane if you look at the numbers that really matter (graduate programs and federal research dollars).
Posted on 9/13/09 at 3:05 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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You are the delusional one.
I am the delusional one?
Why don't you post this brilliant quote on the SEC rant:
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As an institute of higher learning and advancing knowledge the scope and size of LSU research and graduate and undergraduate programs blows away Tulane.
I'd love watching the fans of every other school tell you how wrong you are. I'm the delusional one, yet you are the one trying to argue an opinion that would be contrary to what probably around 95-99% of people unaffiliated with either university would believe. I love the rant
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If you're so concerned about numbers and rankings look at who gets more federal research dollars. It's not even close
So if we can find one single hard stat that LSU exceeds Tulane in, and I'm not even sure if this is true, that means LSU is better? Even if Tulane is bringing in significantly stronger students, has nearly twice the endowment money, probably 4-5 times the spending per student, their grads earn significantly higher salaries at beginning and midpoint of their careers, and Tulane is ranked way better in every single ranking system, LSU is better based solely on research dollars? I love it
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But in the end LSU as a place of learning and knowledge and education is better than Tulane if you look at the numbers that really matter (graduate programs and federal research dollars).
Yes, those are the only numbers that matter. No one goes to college to earn money and the quality of the students should just be thrown out of the window
I would like you to answer this question that you ignored if we are going to continue this ridiculous argument: Do you believe that LSU is a superior academic institution than Rice, Emory, or Wake Forest? Your logic would suggest that you actually believe this...
ETA: I'm not trying to bash LSU by any means. I posted earlier that I believe you guys are underrated by US News and definitely on par with schools ranked much higher like Alabama. But I do think that this is a ridiculous argument.
This post was edited on 9/13/09 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 9/13/09 at 3:13 pm to Night Man
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I would like you to answer this question that you ignored if we are going to continue this ridiculous argument: Do you believe that LSU is a superior academic institution than Rice, Emory, or Wake Forest? Your logic would suggest that you actually believe this...
LSU is better than wake. Rice and Emery are great universities and LSU in many ways is on par with them. You greenies are the ones who are delusional. Walk around LSU's campus. There buildings and research centers on campus at LSU that don't even exist at Tulane. LSU with it's scope and depth of graduate programs and research produces more knowledge than Tulane. Look at National Science Foundation Grants. LSU is a land grant instituion. It's research on agriculture alone surpasses the entire college of liberal arts at Tulane. LSU produces more graduate students, more ph.d's, more masters, more publications, more books, and more knowledge than Tulane. Compare research productivity of faculty at LSU versus Tulane.
LSU offers more high-quality progams than Tulane. Also LSU is dedicated to advancing knowledge and educating a much wider range of students than Tulane. LSU unlike Tulane has a mission to improve the lives of people around the world and Louisiana. More students come from all over the world to study at LSU than Tulane.
LSU also has the higher moral purpose than Tulane. Tulane wants to be selective, snobby, and elitist which limits the impact Tulane has on the world. Tulane has chosen to be small and provincial and concentrate on a few programs while LSU truly has ambitions that wish to help the planet in as many places as possible.
But in the end look at the numbers (research dollars, graduate programs, faculty productivity, degrees awarded). Tulane always loses to LSU.
Posted on 9/13/09 at 3:18 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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But in the end look at the numbers (research dollars, graduate programs, faculty productivity, degrees awarded). Tulane always loses to LSU.
Only if we throw out all of the truly meaningful numbers. You know, the ones that every single university ranking system in existence uses DUE TO THEIR SIGNIFICANCE. Let me know when LSU is anywhere near as respected as Tulane is academically on a national level or their grads earn anywhere near Tulane on average. I'll probably be waiting an extremely long time...
I love that you actually believe this though. It's pretty amusing
This post was edited on 9/13/09 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 9/13/09 at 3:24 pm to Night Man
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Only if we throw out all of the truly meaningful numbers. You know, the ones that every single university ranking system in existence uses DUE TO THEIR SIGNIFICANCE. Let me know when LSU is anywhere nearly as respected as Tulane is academically on a national level or their grads earn anywhere near Tulane on average. I'll probably be waiting an extremely long time...
As an institution of overall higher learning LSU is respected more than Tulane because Tulane is small and provincial and doesn't have the desire or ability to offer the wide range of programs that LSU has.
Tulane does zero research on so many subjects (agriculture, geography, forestry are just a few) that LSU has ph.d. programs in. LSU produces more knowledge than Tulane.
Go ask faculty at Harvard or Yale or Chicago and Hopkins and ask them if a university with the level of research and graduate studies like LSU is below Tulane. LSU is a comprehensive research university, Tulane is not. Ask them how important NSF money is? LSU produces knowledge in important subjects like English, Geography, Forestry, Dairy Science, Food Science, and Political Science. Tulane does not. Tulane is small and selective but LSU is world-class university.
More students from more countries come to LSU than Tulane. I'd say the planet has spoken.
Posted on 9/13/09 at 3:29 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
Oh another thing. I live a few miles from the University of Minnesota and I know a lot of people who work there and study there at all levels. LSU is more respected as an institution of higher learning than Tulane.
Tulane is not even considered a peer institution of places like Minnesota, Iowa, Michigan State, Iowa State, Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, Penn State, and Purdue because Tulane is a small private school that does not have the number of research institutes and graduate programs that LSU has.
Tulane is not even considered a peer institution of places like Minnesota, Iowa, Michigan State, Iowa State, Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, Penn State, and Purdue because Tulane is a small private school that does not have the number of research institutes and graduate programs that LSU has.
Posted on 9/13/09 at 3:33 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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As an institution of overall higher learning LSU is respected more than Tulane
You have written a lot of ridiculous things in this thread, but that is by far the best. Do you seriously, honestly believe that? LSU has a horrible reputation nationally. It's almost thought of as a joke. Tulane is one of the only universities (along with Stanford, Duke, University of Chicago, and a few others) offered affiliate membership in ivy league clubs. Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing? I have an extremely difficult time believing that you're serious...
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Go ask faculty at Harvard or Yale or Chicago and Hopkins and ask them if a university with the level of research and graduate studies like LSU is below Tulane.
Then why is LSU's peer assessment score terrible? Faculty at the universities of the schools you mentioned fill those surveys out, and they all have Tulane in an entirely different class than LSU. That is factual, not an opinion like almost everything you are stating.
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More students from more countries come to LSU than Tulane. I'd say the planet has spoken.
Bull. shite. Tulane has many international students, and also has campuses in Latin America and Asia. You really have no idea what you're talking about. Tulane is small and regional? Where are LSU's international campuses?
This is seriously entertaining for me. Keep going, you're starting to make yourself look less and less knowledgeable, which I didn't think was possible at the beginning of this argument
This post was edited on 9/13/09 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 9/13/09 at 3:33 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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Tulane is not even considered a peer institution of places like Minnesota, Iowa, Michigan State, Iowa State, Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, Penn State, and Purdue
Posted on 9/13/09 at 3:39 pm to Night Man
You're the delusional one. Look I'd be mad also if I blew a lot more money for a degree from a place that is not as respected worldwide as LSU.
Look at the federal research dollars and knowledge produced by faculty. LSU is better than Tulane.
Tulane is not a peer of Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan State, Penn State, Iowa, Iowa State, Texas and so many other schools while LSU is in.
What's truly funny is how Tulane thinks they are peers with any big ten or SEC school or Pac Ten school in academics when it's not.
Tulane needs to be more concerned with Rhodes and Belmont than LSU and Minnesota.
Look at the federal research dollars and knowledge produced by faculty. LSU is better than Tulane.
Tulane is not a peer of Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan State, Penn State, Iowa, Iowa State, Texas and so many other schools while LSU is in.
What's truly funny is how Tulane thinks they are peers with any big ten or SEC school or Pac Ten school in academics when it's not.
Tulane needs to be more concerned with Rhodes and Belmont than LSU and Minnesota.
Posted on 9/13/09 at 3:41 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
Why don't you address a few of my points instead of dodging them and spouting idiotic bullshite?
My opinion is the universal consensus. This is easily backed up by every single university ranking system. The public universities your listing are all mediocre schools by the way. Iowa? Iowa State? MSU? What the hell are you even talking about?
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You're the delusional one
My opinion is the universal consensus. This is easily backed up by every single university ranking system. The public universities your listing are all mediocre schools by the way. Iowa? Iowa State? MSU? What the hell are you even talking about?
Posted on 9/13/09 at 4:38 pm to hobo with a rolex
Tulane Football is on its last leg. Time to pull the plug on the program. It is a pitiful and that is not an insult to the kids who go out there and get their tails whipped weekely. Can not win cause under funded and under manned.
Posted on 9/13/09 at 6:56 pm to Night Man
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The public universities your listing are all mediocre schools by the way. Iowa? Iowa State? MSU? What the hell are you even talking about?
The fact that you call Iowa, Iowa State, and Michigan State mediocre really shows your ignorance. Like I said, Add up the research dollars, the graduate programs, the knowledge produced and you'll see that as a learning community LSU is better than Tulane.
Posted on 9/13/09 at 7:06 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
You really are unbelievably stupid, aren't you? Those are mediocre schools, just like LSU. You have posted numerous things that are factually incorrect in this thread and dodged responding when called out. Why don't you respond instead of writing nonsensical babble? I would also like to see a link backing up these research claims. I took your word earlier, which was obviously a huge mistake based on the unbelievable amount of ignornance you've displayed. You don't even seem to understand the difference between an LAC and a university. Pathetic
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