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"Tough to beat a team twice"
Posted on 12/21/11 at 12:54 am
Posted on 12/21/11 at 12:54 am
ESPN interviewed Saban yesterday and mentioned that its tough for a team to beat a team twice in a season. Saban responded "is there and statistic to that or is that something you guys make up?"
This got me wondering about rematches and what the outcomes were. The only potential rematches could be in a conference championship or a bowl game. The only ones that come to mind in recent history are the following. In bold is when a team won both games
ACC
2007 Virginia Tech vs Boston College.....Vtech lost at home in the season but won in conf championship.
2008 V-Tech vs BC again....Vtech lost in the regular season at BC but won conf championship
2009 Georgia Tech vs Clemson.....G-tech won both games
2011 Clemson vs V-Tech.......Clemson won both
Big 12
1999 Nebraska vs Texas.....Nebraska lost in the regular season but won in conf champ
2000 Oklahoma vs Kstate.....Ou won both
2001 Texas vs Colorado....Texas won at home but lost in Conf championship
2002 Ou vs Colorado....Ou won both
2005 Texas vs Colorado...Texas won both
2007 OU vs Missou...OU won both
SEC
1999 Bama vs Florida....Bama won both
2000 Florida vs Auburn....Florida won both
2001 LSU vs Tenn.....Tenn won at home but lost in conf champ
2003 LSU vs Georgia...LSU won both
2004 Auburn vs Tenn....Auburn won both
2010 Auburn vs S. Carolina...Auburn won both
Championship Game rematches
1996 Florida vs FSU....Florida lost on the road but won in the championship game.
I know I could be missing some bowl games.
So of the games listed above, the advantage goes to the team who won the first game. So what the hell is ESPN talking about????
This got me wondering about rematches and what the outcomes were. The only potential rematches could be in a conference championship or a bowl game. The only ones that come to mind in recent history are the following. In bold is when a team won both games
ACC
2007 Virginia Tech vs Boston College.....Vtech lost at home in the season but won in conf championship.
2008 V-Tech vs BC again....Vtech lost in the regular season at BC but won conf championship
2009 Georgia Tech vs Clemson.....G-tech won both games
2011 Clemson vs V-Tech.......Clemson won both
Big 12
1999 Nebraska vs Texas.....Nebraska lost in the regular season but won in conf champ
2000 Oklahoma vs Kstate.....Ou won both
2001 Texas vs Colorado....Texas won at home but lost in Conf championship
2002 Ou vs Colorado....Ou won both
2005 Texas vs Colorado...Texas won both
2007 OU vs Missou...OU won both
SEC
1999 Bama vs Florida....Bama won both
2000 Florida vs Auburn....Florida won both
2001 LSU vs Tenn.....Tenn won at home but lost in conf champ
2003 LSU vs Georgia...LSU won both
2004 Auburn vs Tenn....Auburn won both
2010 Auburn vs S. Carolina...Auburn won both
Championship Game rematches
1996 Florida vs FSU....Florida lost on the road but won in the championship game.
I know I could be missing some bowl games.
So of the games listed above, the advantage goes to the team who won the first game. So what the hell is ESPN talking about????
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Posted on 12/21/11 at 12:57 am to Roux-Roux
I have never understood that logic. The results of the first game have nothing to do with the second.
Posted on 12/21/11 at 12:57 am to Roux-Roux
Great points - thanks for the research...
Posted on 12/21/11 at 12:59 am to Roux-Roux
ESPN propaganda is just that, propaganda. They'll do anything for ratings and pumping up the Gumps gets them a lot of that.
Posted on 12/21/11 at 1:08 am to Roux-Roux
I think the logic that its hard to beat an evenly matched (key term) team 3 times (like in the NFL) might be sound, but 2 times isn't all that crazy to do.
I haven't seen the stats on 3 times with the NFL though, and obviously, that can't happen in college.
I haven't seen the stats on 3 times with the NFL though, and obviously, that can't happen in college.
This post was edited on 12/21/11 at 1:10 am
Posted on 12/21/11 at 1:22 am to Roux-Roux
Bowl game rematches
1959 LSU vs Ole Miss... LSU won @ home then lost in the Sugar Bowl
1987 Michigan St. vs Southern Cal...MSU won @ home then in the Rose Bowl
1997 LSU vs Notre Dame... ND won @ B.R. then lost in the Independence Bowl
1959 LSU vs Ole Miss... LSU won @ home then lost in the Sugar Bowl
1987 Michigan St. vs Southern Cal...MSU won @ home then in the Rose Bowl
1997 LSU vs Notre Dame... ND won @ B.R. then lost in the Independence Bowl
Posted on 12/21/11 at 1:45 am to Bayou_Bengal@Irving
the good news is we didnt win the first game. we just scored more points.
Posted on 12/21/11 at 1:48 am to Roux-Roux
quote:
ESPN interviewed Saban yesterday and mentioned that its tough for a team to beat a team twice in a season. Saban responded "is there and statistic to that or is that something you guys make up?"
Interesting that he would say this. I know he likes to be a dick to the media, but quite honestly once they got in the game (so this doesn't count the campaigning before the SEC CG) he seems to have become more of a realist than anything... and just punking the media on a daily basis.
Posted on 12/21/11 at 5:24 am to WavinWilly
Last year Nebraska beat the everloving shite out of Washington in reg season then lost to them in Holiday Bowl
Posted on 12/21/11 at 5:29 am to kjntgr
quote:
The results of the first game have nothing to do with the second.
I disagree... I think our guys are extra confident because they already won... and bama players are gunna be pissed cuz they lost at home
Posted on 12/21/11 at 5:35 am to bigeztiger
quote:
"Tough to beat a team twice"
Good thing that we're TOUGH!!!!!!
Posted on 12/21/11 at 5:46 am to gar90
quote:
the good news is we didnt win the first game. we just scored more points.
Posted on 12/21/11 at 5:49 am to Roux-Roux
quote:
ESPN interviewed Saban yesterday and mentioned that its tough for a team to beat a team twice in a season. Saban responded "is there and statistic to that or is that something you guys make up?"
Saban actually said on ESPN before the rematch was set that " it's very difficult to beat a team twice"
He must have done some research since then.
Posted on 12/21/11 at 5:51 am to Good Times
I played sports. Ive beaten teams twice quite a bit. I never really bought into that logic. Even against stronger competition Ive beaten teams twice in the same year. Its not that uncommon.
Each game is different. The last game means very little, you can make adjustments or use it as motivation, but frankly do you really need motivation in the Natl Ship??
You have to come with the same intensity, passion, preparation and fight to each game regardless of opponent. I dont know that the odds really change all that much to be honest. If anything the team that won the last game probably has better odds. But it doesnt matter.
Each game will played on the field and the last game will be forgotten fairly quickly I hate the "tough to beat a team twice" logic.
Each game is different. The last game means very little, you can make adjustments or use it as motivation, but frankly do you really need motivation in the Natl Ship??
You have to come with the same intensity, passion, preparation and fight to each game regardless of opponent. I dont know that the odds really change all that much to be honest. If anything the team that won the last game probably has better odds. But it doesnt matter.
Each game will played on the field and the last game will be forgotten fairly quickly I hate the "tough to beat a team twice" logic.
Posted on 12/21/11 at 6:15 am to siliconvalleytiger
quote:
BSPN propaganda
FIFY
Thanks for the research
Posted on 12/21/11 at 6:35 am to Mulat
I have never seen Saban lobby so hard. Even after the fact, he is lobbying. Why? He's in the game!
Posted on 12/21/11 at 6:49 am to dstone12
quote:
"Tough to beat a team twice"
Obviously they weren't talking about the Miami Dolphins from 05-08. It was pretty easy to beat that team twice.
Posted on 12/21/11 at 7:25 am to gar90
quote:
the good news is we didnt win the first game. we just scored more points.
A very important point to remember and be able to flawlessly recite in Gumpland.
Please though, do NOT forget that they are also 'the better team.'
Posted on 12/21/11 at 7:30 am to Roux-Roux
quote:I do like how Saban doenst bite on any of the media's leading questions and bullshite. I know most here disagree, but I like Saban, dude's a beast.
"is there and statistic to that or is that something you guys make up?"
Posted on 12/21/11 at 7:34 am to towncryr
Yea I heard all morning this morning, your crazy if.you think LSU won that game, nothing shows me LSU will win this game and blah blah blah... I wish the game was this weekend so I can come back to work and see the long faces... All I tell them is 9-6 everytime...
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