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re: Tiger rag radio host don't seem to think CC addition is anything special...
Posted on 2/13/13 at 11:15 am to toughcrittercrumb
Posted on 2/13/13 at 11:15 am to toughcrittercrumb
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I hope the TR guys do see it. I always listen to the show to learn more about the team. Tonight's show was pretty much them expecting the same ole offense and Cam isn't going to make a difference because he isn't that good of an OC. I'm just happy that we have a respected man at OC. Crowton wasn't what he use to be when Les brought him in and Kragthorpe wasn't the hot name we were hoping for. We finally got a guy with a stud resume and our TR guys crapped all over it. How about telling us all of Cams strong points in producing a productive offense. They even mentioned that his offense wasn't any heigher than 13th in the NFL.
Seemingly every year there is some "glimmer of optimisim" in the offseason that make LSU fans believe that the offense will be greatly improved the next season, only to see more of the same year after year.
Post 2008 - JJ takes over after great Peach Bowl; No more pick-6's; Offense will be unstopable
Post 2009 - JJ full year of starting under his belt; Reports that he was "awesome" at the Manning camp. Offense ready to explode!
Post 2010 - Crowton is GONE! The offense will finally = the production of the defense!!!
Post 2011 - JJ and JL are finally out! The Mettsiah is here!! Will he only stay one year before jumping to the NFL? Is it too early to start the Heisman talk?
Post 2012 - Finally we have a REAL OC!! How dare anyone question that the offense will be more of the same in 2013? Have any of you ever heard of Drew Brees, Phillip Rivers and Joe Flacco?
I want more than anything for the LSU offense to explode. Without a doubt it seems that they have the personnel to do so. Nevertheless, forgive me if I take a "wait and see" attitude towards the Cameron hire. Don't tell me in Feb. how great things are going to be, SHOW me in the fall.
This post was edited on 2/13/13 at 11:17 am
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Posted on 2/13/13 at 11:31 am to Alt26
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They questioned the fans excitement. "The fans act like Bill Walsh is coming to town.
Compared to Greg Strudrawa it is like Walsh is coming
Posted on 2/13/13 at 11:36 am to Alt26
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I want more than anything for the LSU offense to explode. Without a doubt it seems that they have the personnel to do so. Nevertheless, forgive me if I take a "wait and see" attitude towards the Cameron hire. Don't tell me in Feb. how great things are going to be, SHOW me in the fall.
That's fair. But what we do know is Cameron's track record, which is good. A lot of people are basing new found skepticism on this one guy from Baltimore. He says he and his buddies could predict the plays before they were ran, but NFL DCs couldn't?
I expect the offense to be better, but that's not really saying much.
Posted on 2/13/13 at 11:42 am to Alt26
A lot of great, great points have been brought here. I have surely gotten more from this thread than from TR last night. Ultimately, we do have to take a wait and see attitude.
Alt26, great points. It seems like every year Tiger fans have been expecting improvements. I believe that is just a part of being a true fan. LSU fans can afford to be optimistic about every season because we have had one of the top 5 programs in the country for about ten years. One reason I am feeling even more confident than most years is the fact that LSU has a OC that has proven over time that he is one of the best in the business. You can't make that claim about Crowton, Kragthorpe or even Stud.
Another reason to be encourage is the fact that a guy like CC isn't gonna come to LSU if he can't run things his way. Fellas, that is the #1 reason CC isn't still at Baltimore. Harbaugh wanted things done a certain way but CC choice to continue to do it his own way. Hopefully, that's not bite us in the arse. But it is a sign that Miles has handed the reigns over to someone more competent.
I will continue to be excited until CC proves that he isn't the really deal or until Miles starts playing puppet master with the offensive coordinator, again.
Alt26, great points. It seems like every year Tiger fans have been expecting improvements. I believe that is just a part of being a true fan. LSU fans can afford to be optimistic about every season because we have had one of the top 5 programs in the country for about ten years. One reason I am feeling even more confident than most years is the fact that LSU has a OC that has proven over time that he is one of the best in the business. You can't make that claim about Crowton, Kragthorpe or even Stud.
Another reason to be encourage is the fact that a guy like CC isn't gonna come to LSU if he can't run things his way. Fellas, that is the #1 reason CC isn't still at Baltimore. Harbaugh wanted things done a certain way but CC choice to continue to do it his own way. Hopefully, that's not bite us in the arse. But it is a sign that Miles has handed the reigns over to someone more competent.
I will continue to be excited until CC proves that he isn't the really deal or until Miles starts playing puppet master with the offensive coordinator, again.
Posted on 2/13/13 at 11:46 am to jimithing11
If I hear one more idiot on the radio compare Cameron to Krag's resume I'm going to lose my shite--Ott just did the same thing Palermo did last night on TR radio.
There is next to nothing compared on Kragthorpe's resume that approaches CC's success on any level.
There is next to nothing compared on Kragthorpe's resume that approaches CC's success on any level.
Posted on 2/13/13 at 11:48 am to LSUstephen17
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I believe what the players, like Drew Brees say! Not some slap dick from Tiger Rag who doesn't know nearly as much as guys like Brees, Flacco and Rivers! I'm pumped up about the addition!
How was the SD offense before and after CC?
Has Mett shown to have the talent of say Brees or Flacco as a college player?
Posted on 2/13/13 at 11:49 am to Books
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Books
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There is next to nothing compared on Kragthorpe's resume that approaches CC's success on any level.
I agree completely. If success were people, Krags would be Luxembourg, and Cameron would be the subcontinent of Eurasia.
EDIT: That's really not a knock on Krags, either.
This post was edited on 2/13/13 at 11:50 am
Posted on 2/13/13 at 11:51 am to roygu
In 2006, under Cam, the Chargers (14-2) were first in the NFL in points and fourth in yards. In 2007, the year after Cam left, the Chargers (11-5) were fifth in points and 20th in yards.
Tomlinson rushed 348 times for 1,815 yards and 28 touchdowns and caught 56 passes for 508 yards and 3 TDs in 2006 under Cam. He rushed 315 times for 1474 yards and 15 touchdowns and caught 60 passes for 475 yards and three touchdowns in 2007.
Rivers, in his first year as a starter, was 284-460 for 3388 yards with 22 TDs and 9 INTs in 2006. In his first year after Cam he was 277-460 for 3152 yards with 21 TDs and 15 INTs in 2007.
Drew Brees's TD:INT ratio his last two years in SD was 50:26. His TD:INT ratio his first two years in NO was 54:29.
Chargers Head Coach Marty Schottenheimer:
“I think Cam is a terrific choice for Mr. Huizenga and the Miami Dolphins. He’s done a great job in every regard, and we’re very, very happy for him. I think he’s an outstanding football coach. He’s a great teacher and a great person. I think his biggest strength is his ability to communicate the message to his players. He’s got a lot of energy and he’s passionate about what he does. You don’t have to spend much time around him to realize that.”
“Right now we’re going to look at all of our options. We’d like to keep the system in place. It is sound and has proven to be successful. We don’t want our players to have to learn a new system. I’m going to sit back and not rush into anything. I’m going to look in house first. We have our work cut out to replace Cam.”
Chargers Quarterback Philip Rivers
“Cam has had a tremendous impact on me as a young quarterback. He brings a lot of knowledge with both the game planning and the system that he runs. He had a lot to do with my success this year. He’s a great motivator. He has a great understanding of the game in all phases. He really has the demeanor about him that exudes a lot of confidence. I think his players feed off of that.”
Tomlinson rushed 348 times for 1,815 yards and 28 touchdowns and caught 56 passes for 508 yards and 3 TDs in 2006 under Cam. He rushed 315 times for 1474 yards and 15 touchdowns and caught 60 passes for 475 yards and three touchdowns in 2007.
Rivers, in his first year as a starter, was 284-460 for 3388 yards with 22 TDs and 9 INTs in 2006. In his first year after Cam he was 277-460 for 3152 yards with 21 TDs and 15 INTs in 2007.
Drew Brees's TD:INT ratio his last two years in SD was 50:26. His TD:INT ratio his first two years in NO was 54:29.
Chargers Head Coach Marty Schottenheimer:
“I think Cam is a terrific choice for Mr. Huizenga and the Miami Dolphins. He’s done a great job in every regard, and we’re very, very happy for him. I think he’s an outstanding football coach. He’s a great teacher and a great person. I think his biggest strength is his ability to communicate the message to his players. He’s got a lot of energy and he’s passionate about what he does. You don’t have to spend much time around him to realize that.”
“Right now we’re going to look at all of our options. We’d like to keep the system in place. It is sound and has proven to be successful. We don’t want our players to have to learn a new system. I’m going to sit back and not rush into anything. I’m going to look in house first. We have our work cut out to replace Cam.”
Chargers Quarterback Philip Rivers
“Cam has had a tremendous impact on me as a young quarterback. He brings a lot of knowledge with both the game planning and the system that he runs. He had a lot to do with my success this year. He’s a great motivator. He has a great understanding of the game in all phases. He really has the demeanor about him that exudes a lot of confidence. I think his players feed off of that.”
This post was edited on 2/13/13 at 11:59 am
Posted on 2/13/13 at 11:52 am to trooploop
quote:Walsh had a head start on the NFL with the WCO and it took a while for defenses to adapt. Cameron took a Coryell/Turner offense and tweaked something not totally new to the league. Both are legit, but Cameron had a bit tougher task to acheive his top 5s.
Cam Cameron had three top 5 scoring offenses in his 11 years in the NFL. Bill Walsh had four.
Just my opinion.
Posted on 2/13/13 at 11:53 am to toughcrittercrumb
CC is still better than the three headed monster of Miles, Stud, Krags by a multiple of 100.
Now all CC has to do is keep Miles in a box when it comes to scheme, playcalling , and game day adjustments and well be good.
Now all CC has to do is keep Miles in a box when it comes to scheme, playcalling , and game day adjustments and well be good.
Posted on 2/13/13 at 11:57 am to Alt26
quote:Not once in those years did LSU have anyone on staff that could even sniff the type of expertise or skins on the wall that Cameron's resume does.
Seemingly every year there is some "glimmer of optimisim" in the offseason that make LSU fans believe that the offense will be greatly improved the next season, only to see more of the same year after year.
Post 2008 - JJ takes over after great Peach Bowl; No more pick-6's; Offense will be unstopable
Post 2009 - JJ full year of starting under his belt; Reports that he was "awesome" at the Manning camp. Offense ready to explode!
Post 2010 - Crowton is GONE! The offense will finally = the production of the defense!!!
Post 2011 - JJ and JL are finally out! The Mettsiah is here!! Will he only stay one year before jumping to the NFL? Is it too early to start the Heisman talk?
Post 2012 - Finally we have a REAL OC!! How dare anyone question that the offense will be more of the same in 2013? Have any of you ever heard of Drew Brees, Phillip Rivers and Joe Flacco?
Posted on 2/13/13 at 11:58 am to toughcrittercrumb
"Detiller, who I really like, only talked about improvement at QB. No talk about better play calling or player usage."
Eventually the sunshine pumpers will realize that Cam is Les and Les is Cam and that the offense will not change. Hopefully it removes the stupidness from some our playcalling like using Ware in the Wildcat type stuff and FB Dives on critical 3rd and 4's, and 4th and 13 fake FG's. But even that is minimal improvement in the current state of college football offense.
Eventually the sunshine pumpers will realize that Cam is Les and Les is Cam and that the offense will not change. Hopefully it removes the stupidness from some our playcalling like using Ware in the Wildcat type stuff and FB Dives on critical 3rd and 4's, and 4th and 13 fake FG's. But even that is minimal improvement in the current state of college football offense.
Posted on 2/13/13 at 12:02 pm to GFunk
Kragthorpe's reputation as qb guru is one of the biggest myth's around LSU in awhile. Last night Detillier was the first one I've heard publicly recognize that fact.
Posted on 2/13/13 at 12:03 pm to Hurricane Mike
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Eventually the sunshine pumpers will realize that Cam is Les and Les is Cam
He hasn't even coached a fricking game here yet and you are trying to make this comparison. You are seriously one dumb son of a bitch.
Posted on 2/13/13 at 12:11 pm to Books
quote:.Considering his health, he seemed to do a fair job with Lee and JJ in one season, until they met top 5 defenses.
Kragthorpe's reputation as qb guru is one of the biggest myth's around LSU in awhile
You know what they say about chicken salad.
Posted on 2/13/13 at 12:38 pm to Alt26
quote:Well hate to break the news to you, but you're gonna have to talk about it until then.
Don't tell me in Feb. how great things are going to be, SHOW me in the fall.
That is, unless you have a time machine.
Posted on 2/13/13 at 12:39 pm to Alt26
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Nevertheless, forgive me if I take a "wait and see" attitude towards the Cameron hire
I think anyone with an ounce of sense is taking a 'wait and see' attitude. But the hire is a good one on paper. The endless attempts to blast everything Miles does just gets exhausting.
And now that I re-read your post, what's wrong w/ a glimmer of optimism? Hell, the best part of being a fan of a great program is that you should be able to get excited about next year. F'ing sad that so many start of with criticism and falling sky mentality.
Posted on 2/13/13 at 12:40 pm to Hurricane Mike
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Eventually the sunshine pumpers will realize that Cam is Les and Les is Cam and that the offense will not change.
im not sure how many times this has to be said...the scheme is NOT the problem. the fluidity of play calling IS the problem. that is what will make cam a great coach here.
our offense was just fine against bama this year, for example...until the play calling shite the bed at the end
Posted on 2/13/13 at 12:42 pm to Hurricane Mike
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But even that is minimal improvement in the current state of college football offense.
And which of these programs would you trade places with at this given time? Hell, if Saban was racking 'em up w/ a fun-n-gun, I'd be the first to call for that type of offense. But the truth is, the pro-style sets still do damn well if you have a decent OC.
Posted on 2/13/13 at 12:44 pm to denvertiger
quote:MOTHER. frickING. THIS.
what's wrong w/ a glimmer of optimism? Hell, the best part of being a fan of a great program is that you should be able to get excited about next year.
The greatest thing about this year is that it's a new year. I think we can all forget about two years ago, and some of the new fans' cherries have been popped on Bama winning. So now that we've gotten those things out of the way, can we focus on being somewhat optimistic LSU fans? Even just a little?
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