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Posted on 5/28/15 at 9:23 am to dreaux
09 better pitching... Coleman Ronando, Ott was a lethal closer, plus mid relieve had Chad Jones, Bertucinni
Posted on 5/28/15 at 9:24 am to dreaux
Also let's see how we compete in the playoffs then compare :)
Posted on 5/28/15 at 9:54 am to Harry456
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This team has thus far not proven they have the ability to do that consistently. That's why I give the 09 team the overall advantage lineup wise, secondly there no javi too.
what team have you watched, this offense has consistently put up great numbers, occasionally we face a very good pitcher or just have a game of bad bounces.
another thing 09 vs 15 isn't a fair comparison we are in the dead bat era, offense only took a small jump this year.
that offense put up impressive numbers 7.87 runs a game compared to 7.15. If this line up played with 09s bats I bet their numbers would be better, if 09 played with 15s bats numbers would be much better.
I think these two teams are very similar,
starting pitching I give an edge to 09 even though their 3 guy sucked.
Relief pitching I give to 09 as well but only because they actually have a closer, overall this year relief pitching is better, but not having a true closer could be devastating
lineup I give to this year, hitting .320 as a team better than 09 .315 is impressive espically in the dead bat era. Also Nola was an ever day starter come post season time he at that point was an easy out so to speak, hit .240. There is no easy out in this lineup.
Fielding I actually give to the 09 team. DJ was great at 2B and just look at him in the majors he makes amazing plays. Nola at SS probably played better defense than bregs as crazy as that sounds. I'm not saying Nola is better than bregs, Bregs is in another category when it comes to hitting, but Nola really could play good D at SS. Hanover good 3rd baseman, I don't remember what dean did at 1st, but only possibly hole. Outfield was not as good as this years but still pretty good. Landry Mahtook and Mitchell is a pretty quick outfield. Gibbs wasn't bad behind the plate either.
this years team, great SS great OF, good 3B good C, but a liability at 2nd and 1st.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 9:59 am to Tiger79
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09 better pitching... Coleman Ronando, Ott was a lethal closer, plus mid relieve had Chad Jones, Bertucinni
1) jones pitched 6.2 innings all season, you can't really count him.
2) that teams ERA was just ok, now not a fair comparision, but 4.02 team ERA vs 2.94 ERA.
3) If Poche or Bain get back on track starting this weekend you can make an argument that we have a better rotation than the 09 team. Ross wasn't good that year. I think Lange is better than Ranaudo and Coleman even as a freshman.
4) while the 09 team had a couple solid arms coming out of the pen I think this years team has more depth.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 10:02 am to dreaux
Currently: 09
Reason: They proved they had the mental fortitude to win a championship.
Of Note: This years team could surpass the 09 team if they go on to with the championship. It's a long road ahead and I think we have both the hitting and pitching to make it there.
Reason: They proved they had the mental fortitude to win a championship.
Of Note: This years team could surpass the 09 team if they go on to with the championship. It's a long road ahead and I think we have both the hitting and pitching to make it there.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 10:03 am to GreenTrout
I love how people are saying the 09 team is better because they won it all when the regionals haven't even started yet.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 10:05 am to catholictigerfan
That's why I said currently 09, and made a note that this year could be better. I'm not ranking any team better than a past champion unless they themselves are champions.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 10:21 am to GreenTrout
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That's why I said currently 09, and made a note that this year could be better. I'm not ranking any team better than a past champion unless they themselves are champions.
it's still a unfair comparison. At the end of the season it's a fair comparision but not right now.
I think both of these teams are pretty even.
to bring in another team I think the 2013 team was better than both of these teams, but they got cold at the wrong time. The 2013 team had 3 solid guys in the starting rotation, a .305 BA in the dead bat and dead ball era, plus a beastly closer in Chris Cotton, who was a better closer than Ott. Sure they didn't win a championship but they were more talented than both 09 and 15.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 10:31 am to Honeybadger_tm7
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09 and it's not even close
It is close. This is a ridiculous statement. The 2009 team lost 17 games. The 09 team had the benefit of the old bats and hit 107 home runs. Imagine if you added 60 home runs to a team that only lost 10 games.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 10:42 am to catholictigerfan
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to bring in another team I think the 2013 team was better than both of these teams, but they got cold at the wrong time. The 2013 team had 3 solid guys in the starting rotation, a .305 BA in the dead bat and dead ball era, plus a beastly closer in Chris Cotton, who was a better closer than Ott. Sure they didn't win a championship but they were more talented than both 09 and 15.
Good point. I almost brought this up but thought I would get flamed into the ground. The 2013 team was arguably the most talented and balanced up and down the roster that Mainieri has fielded. Dominant all year...until they weren't. Losing is losing, but its worth remembering that they lost two one-run games in the CWS. EDIT: Nope. Game One 2 - 1 and Game Two 4 -2
Sometimes people forget how razor-thin the margins of victory/defeat can be. Like I said, 09 team was dominant all year, but if not for that clutch hit in extras by Mahtook, that team would have gotten swept out of the final series. We were not beating Jungmann the way he was pitching. In the end though, that's just as ridiculous an "if" as to say that if Bregman doesn't boot that grounder...
This post was edited on 5/29/15 at 3:27 am
Posted on 5/28/15 at 10:52 am to dreaux
09 team was much better. We had more consistency in pitching and the hitting was arguably almost as good. Defense was definitely better on the 09 team. You couldn't get a ball out of LSU's infield. Don't forget who we had in the infield. Nola was an amazing SS and probably moving that infield around was the best thing to happen to LSU that year. Hitting seemed to heat up by the time they hit CWS too other than the 1 Texas game where the dude was throwing like 100 mph fastballs shutting us down.
I would say our hitting is better this year than 09 team because then they were using aluminum bats. That's really the only thing I'd give an edge over with this year's team. The 09 team really heated up at the right time.
I would say our hitting is better this year than 09 team because then they were using aluminum bats. That's really the only thing I'd give an edge over with this year's team. The 09 team really heated up at the right time.
This post was edited on 5/28/15 at 10:57 am
Posted on 5/28/15 at 10:56 am to BallHog
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Sometimes people forget how razor-thin the margins of victory/defeat can be. Like I said, 09 team was dominant all year, but if not for that clutch hit in extras by Mahtook, that team would have gotten swept out of the final series. We were not beating Jungmann the way he was pitching. In the end though, that's just as ridiculous an "if" as to say that if Bregman doesn't boot that grounder...
I would actually say inches for that series. If Ross doesn't doesn't throw the ball away in the 6th and Bregman doesn't have an error in the 8th we would have won that game.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 10:59 am to deuce985
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09 team was much better. We had more consistency in pitching and the hitting was arguably almost as good. Defense was definitely better on the 09 team. You couldn't get a ball out of LSU's infield. Don't forget who we had in the infield. Nola was an amazing SS and probably moving that infield around was the best thing to happen to LSU that year.
People tend to romanticize LSU's '09 team. You either had to have a midget play third or a guy who swung a wet newspaper. This team actually fields at a higher clip and has a better outfield. Nola was also a black hole offensively in 2009. Gibbs wasn't as good as Maurepas either.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 11:00 am to catholictigerfan
I agree with you, but the question was which team is better? The only correct response at this point is to pick the team that won the championship. A better question would have been: "Going into regionals, which team would you prefer 09 or 15?" Only problem with that is everyone knows the end result of the 09 season.
I think we have had better 'overall' teams in the past that have not won, but when doing a comparison you cannot compare champions vs the field.
I think we have had better 'overall' teams in the past that have not won, but when doing a comparison you cannot compare champions vs the field.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 11:03 am to GreenTrout
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I agree with you, but the question was which team is better? The only correct response at this point is to pick the team that won the championship. A better question would have been: "Going into regionals, which team would you prefer 09 or 15?" Only problem with that is everyone knows the end result of the 09 season.
False. LSU's 2011 and 2005 football teams were both demonstrably better than LSU's 2007 football team. Don't let outcomes which are based on some modicum of luck (and relative strength of opponents, etc.) skew an argument about quality which is independent of results.
This post was edited on 5/28/15 at 11:04 am
Posted on 5/28/15 at 11:03 am to therick711
This team also didn't play against aluminum bats on defense which made a big difference. That infield for LSU was pretty damn good in 09. Mahtook and Mitchell weren't exactly weak outside. Both ended up high picks. Hanover while short was still a very good 3rd baseman. Schimph(sp?) was a damn good 2nd baseman and was super athletic. I still remember that highlight catch he had in CWS. Nola might be the best SS glove I've seen at LSU. He's better than Bregman's glove and was great at it day 1.
This post was edited on 5/28/15 at 11:07 am
Posted on 5/28/15 at 11:04 am to GreenTrout
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I agree with you, but the question was which team is better? The only correct response at this point is to pick the team that won the championship. A better question would have been: "Going into regionals, which team would you prefer 09 or 15?" Only problem with that is everyone knows the end result of the 09 season.
I think we have had better 'overall' teams in the past that have not won, but when doing a comparison you cannot compare champions vs the field.
it's unfair to compare teams who aren't compared by the same standards.
this team hasn't had a chance to win it all, but 2009 did. How is that a fair comparison.
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"Going into regionals, which team would you prefer 09 or 15?
this is what should be asked,
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Only problem with that is everyone knows the end result of the 09 season.
again you are making an unfair comparison.
This post was edited on 5/28/15 at 11:07 am
Posted on 5/28/15 at 11:05 am to deuce985
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Hanover while short was still a very good 3rd baseman.
Until he finally imploded in Omaha, and he had to be replaced as the every day player at third.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 11:06 am to therick711
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False. LSU's 2011 and 2005 football teams were both demonstrably better than LSU's 2007 football team. Don't let outcomes which are based on some modicum of luck (and relative strength of opponents, etc.) skew an argument about quality which is independent of results.
yep and I say the 2013 baseball team was better than 2009 and 2015. I think LSU would could have won the championship in 2013 if we didn't play in a park where you will have 2 or 3 home runs all series, and dead bats.
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