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re: this is what pisses me off about the bcs
Posted on 11/10/10 at 3:55 pm to XbengalTiger
Posted on 11/10/10 at 3:55 pm to XbengalTiger
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Just about any team in the top 20 could look dominant playing the majority of their schedule against teams ranked from 80-120.
McNeese disagrees.
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Posted on 11/10/10 at 4:16 pm to jm3
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Now you have to earn the right, and its why teams schedule the marquee, cross-country powerhouse matchups.
Like #1 Org? Whose powerhouse matchup is a 3-6 Tenn team who's signature win is over a 3-6 CUSA team?
Or #7 Wisc? Whose powerhouse matchup is 4-5 Arizona State Whos biggest win is over 3-6 washington?
Or #8 Neb whose powerhouse matchup is 3-6 washington?
Lets get real, BCS schools with the rare exception of a few, try to make the OOC road as weak as possible. Outside of Clemson (who is no workd beater) who did Aub schedule OOC? LSU did a fantastic job this year with OOC though and should recieve credit.
The thing that everyone who bitches about this conviently ignores is that so far Oregon only has two wins against teams that have a better than .500 record.
Posted on 11/10/10 at 4:23 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
Seems like if they were really dedicated to a MNC, they would schedule the tougher games. Fresno state has the attitude of anyone, anywhere. They will never have an incentive to schedule a tougher schedule, if they can get to the game with shite for a schedule. Make a tougher schedule or get left out.
Utah is a perfect example. They had no business being ranked number five. The records of their opponents is fricking horrible. It's more likely that Utah is that bad, rather then tcu being that good. That was like their toughest game of the year. Give me a fricking break.
If them or the smurfs go this year, it will be because the bcs threw them a bone.
Utah is a perfect example. They had no business being ranked number five. The records of their opponents is fricking horrible. It's more likely that Utah is that bad, rather then tcu being that good. That was like their toughest game of the year. Give me a fricking break.
If them or the smurfs go this year, it will be because the bcs threw them a bone.
Posted on 11/10/10 at 4:26 pm to dreaux
People who rant that the mid majors have a lack of desire to schedule bigger opponents are ignorant.
Utah scheduled a Big 12, a Big East, and ND two ow which played in and won their bowl game the year before. One of which was ranked in the top 25 of the preseason polls.
Utah scheduled a Big 12, a Big East, and ND two ow which played in and won their bowl game the year before. One of which was ranked in the top 25 of the preseason polls.
This post was edited on 11/10/10 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 11/10/10 at 4:32 pm to dreaux
The only point I have in favor of TCU / Boise:
Unlike a Mississippi State or a Vanderbuilt team who could come into the season unranked and win the SEC and even the BCSCCG, Boise and TCU had to put themselves on the map last season to even be in a position to GET A SHOT. However, they still may not get to the dance.
Unlike a Mississippi State or a Vanderbuilt team who could come into the season unranked and win the SEC and even the BCSCCG, Boise and TCU had to put themselves on the map last season to even be in a position to GET A SHOT. However, they still may not get to the dance.
Posted on 11/10/10 at 4:34 pm to jmath23lsu
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And in the last 5 years they've beaten teams like Oklahoma, Oregon, Oregon State, Virginia Tech and Baylor
Exactly, Thats half a season in a major conference and your touting it over 5 years? I think this is the point everyone is trying to make. You can't play 2 major confernce games a season while you ask the majors to play 8-10 a season. Besides the 8 SEC games LSU will play this season they also played West Virgina and North Carolina. If Boise and TCU played that kind of schedule I'd give them the nod but until then let's not pretend their road is just as hard any any one loss team from the SEC, PAC10, Big Twelve or Big 10. If you want serious consideration join a major conference. (imho)
Posted on 11/10/10 at 4:36 pm to jmath23lsu
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I guess I should say this again. The reason that TCU and Boise St. are getting real consideration this year is because they're 33-3 and 34-1 respectively over the last three seasons. And in the last 5 years they've beaten teams like Oklahoma, Oregon, Oregon State, Virginia Tech, and Baylor.
Let me know next time they beat a top team from the SEC or the Big 10.
Posted on 11/10/10 at 4:37 pm to dreaux
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Just because TCU and BOISE go undefeated, does not mean they should automatically get in the NCG?
Relax Dreaux. Boise will not get into that game unless all but one of these teams lose: Oregon, Auburn, TCU AND if Auburn stumbles twice and LSU gets to the SECCG they would also have to lose. Don't see much chance of that happening. As for TCU their schedule is much tougher than Boise's and they could get in if either Oregon or Auburn lose. In the unlikely event Auburn loses to both UGA and 'Bama and LSU wins out and gets to the SECCG and wins that they will get into the game IMO. An 11-1 LSU that doesn't even get to Atlanta has no shot at getting in. That's my 2 cents.
Posted on 11/10/10 at 4:39 pm to Bleeding purple
Doesn't Boise want a frick ton of money to play a big opponent?
Posted on 11/10/10 at 4:43 pm to LSU82BILL
Interesting you exclude the big 12 or pac 10 since thye have defeated temas from both this year.
The SEC and the BIG have not been willing to schedule games with TCU until just recently. I cant speak to boise. IF you look at OOC play you will see names appear and reappear over and over. Only a few schools want that risk at this piont.
How about all you guys demanding that the mid majors play bigger teams convince your AD's to schedule TCU.
The SEC and the BIG have not been willing to schedule games with TCU until just recently. I cant speak to boise. IF you look at OOC play you will see names appear and reappear over and over. Only a few schools want that risk at this piont.
How about all you guys demanding that the mid majors play bigger teams convince your AD's to schedule TCU.
Posted on 11/10/10 at 5:08 pm to figpole
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If you want serious consideration join a major conference. (imho)
Yeah, they can't just do this. A conference has to actually invite a school to join. The Big East looking to expand, and the Big 12 losing 2 teams could make a difference in the next couple of years.
I'm not saying that either has played a tough schedule this year, merely that they're being rewarded for winning consistently. The currently undefeated Pac-10 champion is ranked #1, but as pointed out early, have only beaten two teams with winning records thus far.
Posted on 11/10/10 at 5:50 pm to dreaux
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Seems like if they were really dedicated to a MNC, they would schedule the tougher games.
FWIW - TCU had games with Texas and Texas Tech on its schedule for this season... but they both backed out citing their conference play/TV Network affiliations or some other BS. Tech backed out so late they had to Scramble for one opponent (Tennessee Tech) and lobby for another (Oregon State).
TCU approached Texas about trying to reschedule for an open date on both teams' 2011 schedule... but the Longhorns decided to schedule BYU instead.
Confirmed Future TCU OOC Opponents:
2011: @Baylor, Texas Tech, SMU
2012: Virginia, @SMU, Oklahoma
2013/2014: LSU
2015/2016: Arkansas
Posted on 11/10/10 at 9:58 pm to yurintroubl
One more reason I hate UT
It doesnt matter though had TX kept us the distractors would simply say that tx and tech are down and that TCU needs to play 8 "tough" bcs opponents like everyone else to get any respect.
Hell some posters (see above) beleive that it has to be the top 2-3 teams form the Big 10 and SEC specifically or any win should be discredited.
It doesnt matter though had TX kept us the distractors would simply say that tx and tech are down and that TCU needs to play 8 "tough" bcs opponents like everyone else to get any respect.
Hell some posters (see above) beleive that it has to be the top 2-3 teams form the Big 10 and SEC specifically or any win should be discredited.
Posted on 11/10/10 at 10:11 pm to Bleeding purple
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How about all you guys demanding that the mid majors play bigger teams convince your AD's to schedule TCU.
How about the midmajors complaining that no one will play them fork up the $$ instead?
I mean seriously, the big guys have the bargaining power, they have nothing to gain from playing TCU or Boise. Why should TCU or Boise demand $$$ to play a big team. Why should Boise demand $1M from nebraska for a game IN BOISE??? Why should Nebraska agree to that? If they're going to complain that no one will play them, i'm going to call bullshite
Posted on 11/10/10 at 10:18 pm to jm3
Another song to the choir....8 team playoff is the answer. You get the top 8 teams using the current BCS formula and it can work because eack week becomes a positioning week to get into the top 8 spots-if you do go 8 teams however, a little more emphasis should be placed on strength of schedule to keep the "padding with cupcakers" out!!!
Posted on 11/10/10 at 10:18 pm to dreaux
The problem people have, and it's a legitimate one, is that the "BCS" conferences complain that other conferences' teams don't play their schedules, but that's largely because BCS teams refuse to schedule these teams or invite them into their conference.
If BCS schools had their way there would be 4 subdivisions of Div 1 (BCS,FBS,FCS, 1-AAA aka non football) instead of the current 3.
Its easy to say oh they don't play quality games every week but then again how many BCS auto qualifying conference teams actually do either?
Also why should Boise or TCU have to play essentially 9 away games to justify their worth to a bunch of teams and their voters who want to exclude them regardless to allow their teams to horde the money, fame, and mythic championships? I guarantee a majority of BCS schools will not do a home and home with either of those schools, so why should TCU or Boise have to accept playing a majority of their games at the other schools home stadium to prove anything?
Essentially the question should be who is really ducking whom?
Texas should really consider allowing TCU into the Big 12. What's worse one more Texas school to recruit against in conference, or suddenly recruiting against the rest of the Big East plus their current competition?
If BCS schools had their way there would be 4 subdivisions of Div 1 (BCS,FBS,FCS, 1-AAA aka non football) instead of the current 3.
Its easy to say oh they don't play quality games every week but then again how many BCS auto qualifying conference teams actually do either?
Also why should Boise or TCU have to play essentially 9 away games to justify their worth to a bunch of teams and their voters who want to exclude them regardless to allow their teams to horde the money, fame, and mythic championships? I guarantee a majority of BCS schools will not do a home and home with either of those schools, so why should TCU or Boise have to accept playing a majority of their games at the other schools home stadium to prove anything?
Essentially the question should be who is really ducking whom?
Texas should really consider allowing TCU into the Big 12. What's worse one more Texas school to recruit against in conference, or suddenly recruiting against the rest of the Big East plus their current competition?
Posted on 11/10/10 at 10:49 pm to dreaux
It's not so much about being undefeated as their pre-season ranking.
Posted on 11/10/10 at 11:36 pm to dreaux
TCU and Boise State don't schedule better teams because they don't want to lose. They don't even have conference championship games. Like the fellow above said, it is their own fault if they don't get respect; they don't deserve a shot a team like LSU.
The more people read about a playoff system, the less they enthusiastic they get.
The more people read about a playoff system, the less they enthusiastic they get.
Posted on 11/10/10 at 11:49 pm to TigerPaul2
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TCU and Boise State don't schedule better teams because they don't want to lose. They don't even have conference championship games. Like the fellow above said, it is their own fault if they don't get respect; they don't deserve a shot a team like LSU
Posted on 11/11/10 at 12:02 am to dreaux
If AU and Oregon lose, LSU goes in if we win out.
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