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re: The real issue that holds lsu athletics back is administration.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 8:53 am to ShortyRob
Posted on 11/28/16 at 8:53 am to ShortyRob
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Just so you know. I've agreed with every single word of yours in this thread.
I mean. In case you want to change your position now. (I'm not knocking you.............just having fun in light of the suck)
Damn. The apocalypse is nigh.
Nothing brings a fan base together like a tragedy.
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Posted on 11/28/16 at 8:53 am to Rickdaddy4188
You are right.
Saban was successful here because he essentially told the administration and outside forces to BTFO which allowed him to focus and do his job.
Saban was successful here because he essentially told the administration and outside forces to BTFO which allowed him to focus and do his job.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 8:56 am to Rickdaddy4188
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FKing basically destroyed what could've been a great season this year when he overruled Alleva and kept Miles because of aesthetics and politics.
I agree with this.
We would be doing MUCH BETTER in recruiting too (WHICH IS THE FUTURE OF OUR PROGRAM).
F. King is a f' up .
Posted on 11/28/16 at 8:58 am to GumboPot
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Saban was successful here because he essentially told the administration and outside forces to BTFO which allowed him to focus and do his job.
Im pretty sure he told Emmert he would come to lsu if he guaranteed to upgrade facilities.
Saban also had to do the same thing at bama. One of my friend's dad is a big time booster at bama and he told me stories about Saban having a meeting with the top 20 boosters and telling them to stay out of his way and he will create a dynasty at Bama. He told them their way of doing things is why bama has fallen off. He stopped letting them come to practice and limited the amount of time they could be around the program.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 8:59 am to GumboPot
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FKing basically destroyed what could've been a great season this year when he overruled Alleva and kept Miles because of aesthetics and politics.
What's sad is, now the aesthetics are worse.
We fired a guy to hire his lesser clone. And, pay the lesser clone less than practically the entire SEC pays.............making LSU look like they just wanted to go cheap.
If O doesn't shock the nation next year by going at least 10-2, recruiting could literally fall through the floor.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 8:59 am to ShortyRob
quote:The A&M game had nothing to do with neither Herman nor Jimbo wanting to be here.
Keep in mind that the past two seasons we have made decisions on our HC based off of the A&M game. Think about that.
That this is undeniably true is such a horrible look for LSU. I mean, horrible.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 8:59 am to Rickdaddy4188
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I really dont understand the rush. Once Jimbo and herman said no it was time for Alleva to earn his salary and actually get a qualified coach. Ed orgeron wouldve still said yes in a month.
agreed 100%. Get a damn NFL coordinator if need be worst case scenario. Could be done well before signing day for those crying about recruiting issues waiting so late. The only clown who waited late, obviously was joe the plumber because he did not do shite for two months.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:00 am to GumboPot
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We would be doing MUCH BETTER in recruiting too (WHICH IS THE FUTURE OF OUR PROGRAM).
F. King is a f' up .
Exactly. Nothing makes recruits jump ship faster than uncertainty at hc.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:00 am to Rickdaddy4188
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I refuse to believe the only coaches that would listen to a lsu offer was Jimbo,Herman,and O.
I think they considered their "B" list and didn't really want to risk complete staff turnover for a Gundy, Fedora type hire. Plus you have to consider the work Orgeron and Ponamky have done to build support over the past few months. Opening practice, bringing in former players, who know what type of schmoozing with the big donors. Then throw in the fact that he "wanted" the job vs. others playing games through agents. Many of the bigs out their have fragile egos, they don't want to go get the best, they prefer someone who begs them for their favor.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:01 am to Rickdaddy4188
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Rickdaddy4188 The real issue that holds lsu athletics back is administration. Alleva has gone cheap on the last basketball AND football hire.
Neither the Jones nor Orgeron hire were done for financial reasons. In case you haven't noticed the SEC has sucked in hoops regardless of coaching changes at other schools. In the case of Orgeron, money wasn't bringing Herman or Fisher here and there were no homerun candidates out there after those two.
I agree that F King was incompetent last year and botched things
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:02 am to AlxTgr
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The A&M game had nothing to do with neither Herman nor Jimbo wanting to be here.
No but it had a whole hell of a lot to do with O getting the job.
Imagine if we had lost that game, then what?
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:02 am to JohnnyU
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In the case of Orgeron, money wasn't bringing Herman or Fisher here and there were no homerun candidates out there after those two.
This line of thinking is absolutely absurd.
If your A and B choices don't pan out, you don't go straight to choice Y.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:03 am to Rickdaddy4188
Yep, your program is only as elite as your AD is competent. And LSU is pretty irrelevant.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:03 am to ShortyRob
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Like I already said. If one took a poll of all other top 50 schools where they ranked coaching prospects for HC, O wouldn't have cracked the top 30.............and I'm probably being very kind there.
I stand by my statement that Ed Orgeron wouldnt be in Vandy or Kentucky's top 5 candidates. The best offer he has gotten was an interview to be Syracuse's dc.
I like O has a man and wanted him to stay on staff. I also appreciate him stepping in as interim and not letting the boys quit, but thats it. I stand by my statement that this is the most unqualified hire in big 6 history. No sec big 6 program has ever elevated a position coach to hc. Derek Dooley was more qualified to be Tenn's hc than O was to be lsu's hc.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:04 am to Rickdaddy4188
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And fat Bastard. Peej and i have actually agreed on certain things before. When fat bastard and i agree you know something is fricked up
Yes, but in all our quabbles in the past at least we used metrics and facts in our arguments. we just disagreed on the importance of those based on what we saw performance and then results wise. Plenty here cannot engage in that due to football ignorance as you like to say!
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:05 am to Rickdaddy4188
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I stand by my statement that Ed Orgeron wouldnt be in Vandy or Kentucky's top 5 candidates. The best offer he has gotten was an interview to be Syracuse's dc.
Yep. In fact, hiring either UK or Vandy's coach would've been a superior decision to hiring O......(and no, I'm not saying I wanted them)
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:05 am to ForeLSU
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Many of the bigs out their have fragile egos, they don't want to go get the best, they prefer someone who begs them for their favor.
This is really sad.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:06 am to Rickdaddy4188
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Exactly. Nothing makes recruits jump ship faster than uncertainty at hc.
probably why we would have been better off firing miles last year. EVen if we get a NFL coach late, better late than never doing a national search at all.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:10 am to JohnnyU
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Neither the Jones nor Orgeron hire were done for financial reasons.
What? Herman most certainly was . Alleva didnt want to go against Texas.
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In case you haven't noticed the SEC has sucked in hoops regardless of coaching changes at other schools
And? If everyone fricks a herpes infested whore, does that mean you have to? Thats even more of a reason to spend money on a coach. If 95% of your conf has shitty Basketball coaches thats when you should actually spend money on one.
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n the case of Orgeron, money wasn't bringing Herman or Fisher here and there were no homerun candidates out there after those two.
Wow. There is a huge qualification gap between jimbo/herman and ed orgeron.
Literally any coordinator that has been successful is more qualified than Ed Orgeron. Hell Ed Orgeron isnt eve the most qualified coach on our previous staff. Dave Aranda is far more qualified than Ed Orgeron.
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I agree that F King was incompetent last year and botched things
So you don't think Alleva hiring a 55 year old career dline coach is botching?
We hired a career dline coach to lead lsu in the most talent rich division in cfb.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:15 am to Rickdaddy4188
The Anti-O/LSU Administration melt has been more entertaining than the Anti-Trump/Pro-Hillary melt after the election. Some of you people need to grow up and get a life.
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