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re: The myth that Wisconsin "stopped running the ball" in the second half
Posted on 9/1/14 at 7:25 pm to monsterballads
Posted on 9/1/14 at 7:25 pm to monsterballads
LSU took Gordon essentially out of the game
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Posted on 9/1/14 at 7:55 pm to Brendoni
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they didn't quit running, they quit running Gordon.
I read this morning that he had a hip flexor. I don't know too much about stuff like that, but I think they were trying to limit him so as to not lead him to a more serious injury.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 7:58 pm to Jonathan Ikon
Probably because Wisconsin trailed for nearly 10 minutes during the second half. That changes an offense.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 7:58 pm to Datbayoubengal
I thought I saw a number 4 put a stop to his running.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 7:59 pm to RagingCajun3195
quote:this is what I've been saying since yesterday but, the low information crowd doesn't want to believe it. the narrative is that lsu sucks again. yet the wins keep on coming
They didnt stop running, they stopped having success running
Posted on 9/1/14 at 7:59 pm to Jonathan Ikon
I think what op is saying is that the lack of success with running the ball on first down in the second half led to more pass attempts. It's pretty fn simple
Posted on 9/1/14 at 8:06 pm to SabiDojo
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You're looking at the overall numbers, but you have to see when the plays were called and why they were called. We kept putting Wisconsin in situations where running the ball wouldn't have moved the chains.
This. They were getting nothing and sometimes negative yards with the run on first down in the second half. That's the only reason they were throwing the ball more. To try to get back ahead of the sticks. In the first half everytime they ran the ball they were picking up good chunks of yardage. I don't care what the badger fans want to use as excuses. The gameplan they were using in the first half was not gonna cut it in the second.
This post was edited on 9/1/14 at 8:07 pm
Posted on 9/1/14 at 8:07 pm to RagingCajun3195
quote:That's what I saw in the second half. LSU D looked like a more typical Tiger defense and shut them down.
They didnt stop running, they stopped having success running.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 8:09 pm to INFIDEL
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I think what op is saying is that the lack of success with running the ball on first down in the second half led to more pass attempts. It's pretty fn simple
Exactly. They went away from running the ball so much because it wasn't working anymore.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 8:17 pm to PortCityTiger82
I would definitely say that the LSU staff out coached the Wisconsin staff. This was a situation where if Wisconsin just keeps running the ball and punting if they do not get a first down would have been advisable.
They scored enough points to win the game, but they went away from their strength (regardless of the reason) in favor of throwing. This created turnovers which allowed LSU to get back in the game and eventually win.
Had they played "Tresselball" they probably win that game. Oh well good win for the Tigers.
They scored enough points to win the game, but they went away from their strength (regardless of the reason) in favor of throwing. This created turnovers which allowed LSU to get back in the game and eventually win.
Had they played "Tresselball" they probably win that game. Oh well good win for the Tigers.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 8:21 pm to Hester Carries
IMHO, it's pretty simple. It became obvious they could not effectively throw the ball against us.
We did what anyone would do and put more men in the box, maybe waited a bit longer than we should have, but we did it.
They had two choices. Try to do something everyone saw they could not, pass...or run up against a brick wall. They tried both and failed.
We did what anyone would do and put more men in the box, maybe waited a bit longer than we should have, but we did it.
They had two choices. Try to do something everyone saw they could not, pass...or run up against a brick wall. They tried both and failed.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 8:36 pm to Brendoni
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they didn't quit running, they quit running Gordon.
According to the Wisconsin coach, there was some sort of injury concern for Gordon at halftime. He obviously made a big play to open the 2nd half. However their game plan always involved running Clement, who is also a fine back.Chavis changed the defensive scheme in the 2nd half. Gordon's last two runs netted 1 yard. Clement actually looked better than Gordon down the stretch. Gordon was in for nearly half their plays in the 2nd half but the failures on 1st down led to passing under duress. No mystery why Gordon and the Badgers tapered off. Defensive adjustment by the Chief.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 8:37 pm to Tiger Ugly
LSU wanted to stop Wisconsin's running game without selling out against it, but that didn't work. They kept trying to "fix" the mistakes the dine and lbers were making all the way through the first series of the second half before making the adjustment to move more defenders to the line to fill the gaps. Wisconsin was probably waiting for this adjustment and thought they could pass the ball once LSU went to this all out strategy against the run. What they didn't expect was how good our secondary is one on one. Combine this with LSU's offense starting to dominate time of possession and scoring with each possession, and the game got away from them. LSU's talent won out once the right adjustments were made.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 8:39 pm to SabiDojo
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You're looking at the overall numbers, but you have to see when the plays were called and why they were called. We kept putting Wisconsin in situations where running the ball wouldn't have moved the chains.
This.
Those first down passes were an attempt to back the saftey's up. It didn't work, the corners didn't need saftey help.
Meanwhile, the LSU passing game woke up and provided a threat so wisconsin couldn't stack the box.
It came down to LSU could sell out to stop the run, and Wisconsin couldn't. These were two good running offenses, the slightest difference in the passing game made the difference in the second half.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 8:42 pm to Hester Carries
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When you lose yards on a first down run, you are going to have to pass to make up for it.
Only when you abandon the run.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 8:46 pm to Hester Carries
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3 and out, 2 runs. Wisc still running.
The 3rd down play was a scramble, so it was supposed to be a pass.
So the next two drives they tried to air it out. On the 1st one, they went for our throat on 1st down and failed.
4 designed pass plays to 2 runs. I think we win the game either way, but they changed it up
This post was edited on 9/1/14 at 8:53 pm
Posted on 9/1/14 at 8:47 pm to Hester Carries
Good job, hester. Dont let the chicken littles take the wind out of a great come back.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 8:50 pm to Jonathan Ikon
Ikon, you're such a little bitch. frick you.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 8:51 pm to RANDY44
quote:Guy was injured. Plain & simple
According to the Wisconsin coach, there was some sort of injury concern for Gordon at halftime. He obviously made a big play to open the 2nd half. However their game plan always involved running Clement, who is also a fine back.Chavis changed the defensive scheme in the 2nd half. Gordon's last two runs netted 1 yard. Clement actually looked better than Gordon down the stretch. Gordon was in for nearly half their plays in the 2nd half but the failures on 1st down led to passing under duress. No mystery why Gordon and the Badgers tapered off. Defensive adjustment by the Chief.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 8:52 pm to BatonRougeBuckeye
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Had they played "Tresselball" they probably win that game. Oh well good win for the Tigers.
Yeah, that worked well for OSU when we played them, lol. frick you.
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