re: The irony is both sides of the Miles debate are right.

Posted by SammyTiger

Baton Rouge, LA

Member since Feb 2009

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Posted on 11/27/15 at 9:46 pm to SpencerRob

Why?

There are people out there who can recruit as well as Les

There are people out there who can coach better than Les

There are people out there who can game plan better than less

there are people out there who can do all three better than him.

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Posted by Tigerinthehollow

Madison, MS

Member since Sep 2014

5655 posts

Posted on 11/27/15 at 9:49 pm to SammyTiger

quote:
There are people out there who can recruit as well as Les There are people out there who can coach better than Les There are people out there who can game plan better than less there are people out there who can do all three better than him.

so shite then man...there must be a lot of teams that have been more successful than LSU has been over the last 11 years...I tell ya what...go ahead and name them off, the programs that is, that have been more successful than LSU during the tenure of Miles. According to you, there are plenty of coaches better than Miles...so surely there should be plenty of programs that have performed better...

So, come on Sammy.....name them all.....hell, they don't even have to be in the SEC....but go ahead and include all of the SEC programs that have performed better than LSU over the last 11 years.

Posted by drizztiger

Deal With it!

Member since Mar 2007

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Posted on 11/27/15 at 9:51 pm to Tigerinthehollow

quote:
nice try.....

but Saban's second best year at LSU was a 3 loss season. I'm just not sure why you clowns try to spin it so bad.

Saban had 1 good year at LSU.....in a time when the SEC was not nearly as competitive as now.....

It's fricking hilarious watching you guys try not to admit that Miles won more than any other coach at LSU...ever....it really is. It's like you would rather be set on fire than to admit the truth.

I'm not shitting on Miles. My post was 100% factual and in response to some jackwagon that guarantees LSU will lose with a new coach.

Posted by siliconvalleytiger

Bay Area, CA

Member since Apr 2004

31158 posts

Posted on 11/27/15 at 9:53 pm to SpencerRob

I don't agree. The right replacement can be very successful and can help restore pride. Nobody is asking for a dynasty. But relevance isn't too much to ask for.

Posted by slackster

Houston

Member since Mar 2009

84900 posts

Posted on 11/27/15 at 9:53 pm to drizztiger

quote:
Les was 28-21 before taking over LSU.

...at a school that was 3-8 the season before he took over.

The OP is right - arguing that Miles' successor will likely have a hard time replicating Miles' success doesn't necessarily mean people are arguing that Miles should stay.

This post was edited on 11/27/15 at 10:56 pm

Posted by RDOtiger

Zachary

Member since Oct 2013

1146 posts

Posted on 11/27/15 at 9:53 pm to Scoob

quote:
This situation is a whole lot different, and harder to win in, than what we had in 2005. If we don't get the right guy and win big right away, I am afraid this program will take a serious hit in recruiting, and not recover for a long time.

I disagree. The incoming coach doesn't have to win big immediately, everyone knows that we are depleted in talent in certain areas - plus, it takes awhile for a coach to get his system and players in place. We just have to show an improvement in on-the-field discipline, and better game planning and adjustments - these things will make us competitive in games where we may be physically overmatched. Make no mistake about it, Jimbo can recruit too, so I don't think we'll be overmatched for long.

Posted by Tigerinthehollow

Madison, MS

Member since Sep 2014

5655 posts

Posted on 11/27/15 at 9:54 pm to biglego

They looked pretty damn good in 2012......in fact, they were a minute away from likely winning a NC...but chavis went prevent.

So, quit using 4 years...hell, didn't we win 10 games in 2013 despite the terrible D? LOL

I think it's time for a change...and make no mistake, it will be.....but to think it shouldn't be difficult to get someone to come in and win more than him is pretty stupid.

It will literally take a hall of fame effort to win more than Les.....and you can't cherry pick your years...you look at it as a whole.......

Posted by SammyTiger

Baton Rouge, LA

Member since Feb 2009

66575 posts

Posted on 11/27/15 at 9:55 pm to Tigerinthehollow

Wait did LSU win a championship before les got here, or did Les win a championship before he came to LSu

I am not saying its ALL LSU.

But we will make a good coach look great. Les is making a great school look good.

Posted by Ebbandflow

Member since Aug 2010

13457 posts

Posted on 11/27/15 at 9:57 pm to artistfkacvbc

quote:
out recruits almost every coach in the country IN LOUISIANA

Point is, you dont get top 5 classes simply by being in Louisiana. The man recruits really well

Posted by Nature Boy

Negatiger

Member since Jan 2008

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Posted on 11/27/15 at 10:00 pm to Tigerinthehollow

quote:
over the last 11 years Miles has won more games than any other SEC program.......

How many other coaches have been at their respective programs for 11 years?

Posted by TheFranchise

The Stick

Member since Feb 2005

6204 posts

Posted on 11/27/15 at 10:00 pm to SJS101

quote:
In his defense he did make changes

He USUALLY made changes...just too late. Everyone could see Chevis wasn't cutting it at PR, no change til after it cost us a game. Everyone could see STs were killing us this year. Still no changes to date.

The wasted TO/delay of game issue...been here since his first year and no measure has ever been taken to try to fix.

The whole first half 2011 vs Bama, JJ wasn't cutting it...no change made.

Look, Les Miles is a great man but a subpar coach and his stubbornness has led him exactly to where he is right now.

Posted by gmrivier

Member since Nov 2013

27 posts

Posted on 11/27/15 at 10:02 pm to SammyTiger

Shut Up dude Herman is a good coach

Posted by Tunasntigers92

The Boot

Member since Sep 2014

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Posted on 11/27/15 at 10:03 pm to gmrivier

Yeah, he's great for Houston....

Posted by slackster

Houston

Member since Mar 2009

84900 posts

Posted on 11/27/15 at 10:03 pm to SammyTiger

quote:
there are people out there who can do all three better than him.

Sure, but they're all entrenched at major programs.

Anyone arguing that there is a sure-fire replacement waiting in the wings is daydreaming. The last two major successes for programs at our level were Meyer and Saban, and both fell into their lap. If LSU misses on Fisher or Kelly, we could be FUBAR.

Posted by gmrivier

Member since Nov 2013

27 posts

Posted on 11/27/15 at 10:16 pm to slackster

I say steal the Freeze guy from those Rebawl F***ers

Posted by gmrivier

Member since Nov 2013

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Posted on 11/27/15 at 10:20 pm to SammyTiger

Jimmy Johnson

Posted by artistfkacvbc

Member since Dec 2014

20 posts

Posted on 11/27/15 at 10:22 pm to Ebbandflow

Point is, he makes up 75% of these top classes by signing guys from his state, guys for which he has no legitimate instate competition. The Louisiana signees will usually put you in the top 25 of the recruiting rankings alone. We are the only power 5 conference team in what is a talent rich state.

And of course you have to sign other guys to be top 5, but he has to go out of state a lot less to do that than other prominent schools like Bama, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Oregon, Clemson, etc.

Not acknowledging that simple fact is silly.

He's an excellent recruiter, at a school with an excellent recruiting base. He sure as he'll didnt recruit like this at Oklahoma State, he didn't even recruit as well there as Gundy for goodness sakes.