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re: The importance of seeding - with numbers
Posted on 5/27/13 at 11:23 pm to ffishstik
Posted on 5/27/13 at 11:23 pm to ffishstik
quote:The higher national seed ON AVERAGE will face easier teams in Omaha than the #4 seed, who will face easier teams than the #8 seed.
.and it still doesn't. Looking at the top 4 seeds, the avg RPI of the opponents that they have to face (counting the opposite bracket that they are paired with) is:
This post was edited on 5/27/13 at 11:24 pm
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Posted on 5/27/13 at 11:24 pm to eelsuee
quote:Prove it.
The higher national seed ON AVERAGE will face easier teams in Omaha than the #4 seed, who will face easier teams than the #8 seed.
ETA: Also noticed you added "in Omaha" to change your statement from what it was earlier in the thread. Clever.
This post was edited on 5/28/13 at 12:06 am
Posted on 5/27/13 at 11:28 pm to OneMoreTime
quote:If I provided further explanation, it would not correct your inability to understand averages.
Prove it.
Posted on 5/28/13 at 12:01 am to eelsuee
quote:
eelsuee
How do you pronounce that?
Posted on 5/28/13 at 12:02 am to eelsuee
quote:Attempting to insult my intelligence is a horrible way to prove that higher national seeds get easier roads ON AVERAGE.
If I provided further explanation, it would not correct your inability to understand averages.
This post was edited on 5/28/13 at 12:03 am
Posted on 5/28/13 at 1:00 am to OneMoreTime
dummy
Posted on 5/28/13 at 2:53 am to eelsuee
considering the #1 seed has not won the CWS in over 12 years, and LSU and Vanderbilt won't meet until the Championship series, it's irrelevent for either team.
Posted on 5/28/13 at 3:45 am to OneMoreTime
if the OP wanted to show their relevance, he would have shown that there has been a historical trend of top 4 seeds making it to Omaha more frequently than teams seeded 5-8.
Posted on 5/28/13 at 4:00 am to eelsuee
quote:
Some on this board were saying that there is no difference between a #2 seed and a #3 seed.
What they we're saying was that there's no advantage gained over the #3 seed for the #2 seed, and they're right. You're going to play each other, and then the winner is going to play the winner of the other game, the #1 seed most likely.
Posted on 5/28/13 at 4:24 am to eelsuee
quote:not true .....It just depends on how the tournament plays out ....like someone posted when was the last time the 1 overall won the Cws
The higher national seed ON AVERAGE will face easier teams in Omaha than the #4 seed, who will face easier teams than the #8 seed.
This post was edited on 5/28/13 at 4:33 am
Posted on 5/28/13 at 5:35 am to ell_13
quote:Very much like the selection committee's method.
I honestly think he was trying to say something valid, but got lost in all the number-crunching.
Posted on 5/28/13 at 5:56 am to eelsuee
If just based on rpi Oregon state has an easier draw than North Carolina
Unc could play USCe rpi of 13 while Oregon state could play k State rpi of 18 the lowest rpi of hosts. Your theory fails.
It even fails when looking at national seeds against each other
#3 Oregon state at best will open the tourney against #6 Virginia who rpi is 3 while cal state Fullerton #5 has an easier pairing with Lsu #4 again just based on RPI
Unc could play USCe rpi of 13 while Oregon state could play k State rpi of 18 the lowest rpi of hosts. Your theory fails.
It even fails when looking at national seeds against each other
#3 Oregon state at best will open the tourney against #6 Virginia who rpi is 3 while cal state Fullerton #5 has an easier pairing with Lsu #4 again just based on RPI
Posted on 5/28/13 at 6:11 am to The Boat
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Posted on 5/28/13 at 6:18 am to ffishstik
quote:
ffishstik
Excellent post
Posted on 5/28/13 at 7:56 am to ffishstik
Regarding how it "looks"..2 words. Stoney Brook.that is all.
Bottom line. Hosting a Regional and Super Regional is advantageous, but NOT a certainty to make it to the CWS.
Of the 8 National Seeds, how many will make it to the CWS each year.. my guess is 5-6 each year make it.
Bottom line. Hosting a Regional and Super Regional is advantageous, but NOT a certainty to make it to the CWS.
Of the 8 National Seeds, how many will make it to the CWS each year.. my guess is 5-6 each year make it.
Posted on 5/28/13 at 8:06 am to dreaux
quote:
For some reason I have no idea what you're saying.
had to be drunk. post absolutely not relevant to any discussion on the top 8 seeds and the unimportance of which one of the 8 lsu is.
Posted on 5/28/13 at 8:39 am to PKTiger
quote:Here is an example of someone who doesn't understand. I have seen this same argument made several times in the last week.
What they we're saying was that there's no advantage gained over the #3 seed for the #2 seed, and they're right. You're going to play each other, and then the winner is going to play the winner of the other game, the #1 seed most likely.
#2 seeds play an opponent with an average RPI of 50.7
#3 seeds play an oppenent with an average RPI of 28.7
#2 seeds have an easier road than the #3 seeds.
By this logic there is no difference between a #1 and a #4 either since they play each other and the winner advances to play the winner of the #2/#3 game. You could apply the same incorrect logic to march madness and the #1 overall seed vs the #64 overall seed.
This post was edited on 5/28/13 at 8:42 am
Posted on 5/28/13 at 8:42 am to eelsuee
You realize the #2 and #3 seed play each other right?
Posted on 5/28/13 at 8:43 am to ell_13
quote:
You realize the #2 and #3 seed play each other right?
Wow, so are you saying there is no difference between #1 and #4 since they play each other?
This post was edited on 5/28/13 at 8:53 am
Posted on 5/28/13 at 8:52 am to eelsuee
It depends on if you are talking about before or after the field is set.
You are looking at it prior to the selections. You want a #2 so that you play a #3 because, on average, a #3 won't be as good as a #2. Understood.
But if you are looking at things as they stand today, it doesn't matter. All #2's and #3's have the same opportunities, as do all #1's and #4's.
Explain things better.
You are looking at it prior to the selections. You want a #2 so that you play a #3 because, on average, a #3 won't be as good as a #2. Understood.
But if you are looking at things as they stand today, it doesn't matter. All #2's and #3's have the same opportunities, as do all #1's and #4's.
Explain things better.
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