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re: The Development of one Brandon Harris
Posted on 12/17/14 at 1:53 pm to ironsides
Posted on 12/17/14 at 1:53 pm to ironsides
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No dumbass, it's a positive. It means he is investing the time in developing Harris and NOT Jennings. The assumption I had is that Jennings is just filler for when Harris is going to be ready, which is pretty freakin' soon.
Yeah, but you said
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I say all of this to conclude with another statement. If CC is spending this much time trying to coach the kid up, maybe it's just the kid not absorbing what he needs to.
But yeah, you were being super positive.
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Posted on 12/17/14 at 1:57 pm to PortCityTiger24
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PortCityTiger24
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No dumbass, it's a positive. It means he is investing the time in developing Harris and NOT Jennings. The assumption I had is that Jennings is just filler for when Harris is going to be ready, which is pretty freakin' soon.
Yeah, but you said
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I say all of this to conclude with another statement. If CC is spending this much time trying to coach the kid up, maybe it's just the kid not absorbing what he needs to.
But yeah, you were being super positive.
I think you have me confused with another poster there bud.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 1:59 pm to semjase
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not putting in the work necessary to learn the Offense and Playbook.
If this is true we're in trouble. Our offense isn't that complicated.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 2:05 pm to ibleedprplngld
I think he is working on Jennings, but failing at putting him in the right situations. At the same time, I think that he is grooming Harris for the future. IMO, Harris is a 3 year starter. Physically, he's as talented as Mariota. He's 6'3 with a laser arm, and will probably run somewhere in the 4.6 range when he runs. That said, he is extremely raw after only starting to play football as a 9th grader (only starting as a junior), and never learning the finer points of the QB position or working from under center. He's also still light in the arse, and Jennings has gotten lit up several times and he's like 20-25lbs heavier and an inch shorter.
People shouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusions and see that Cameron is trying to work through this season and prepare for next season with Harris at the same time. We can't expect him to jump from being raw as frick to playing in a pro style offense against the SEC West, with all extremly inexperienced WRs, and while having as much meat on his bones as Dupre.
I know people want to rattle off names like Kaaya and Watson and even Allen, but none of those QBs, had a raw label attached to them coming out of high schools by many scouts. They were some of the more known "polished" passers and QBs in general. Harris still has that panic mode mentality that many dual threats have. My belief is that Cam wants to break him from that as well.
Then you have the fact that they all play in systems very similar to what they ran in high school as well. Parkway's system isn't close to what Cam runs either.
I say give Cam time to mold this kid. Just quit complaining about him not getting a fair shake or whatever the hell people want to say about this year. No, Jennings will not start until he graduates just because. That is nonsense and somewhere deep inside under all of that delusional thinking people have built up, they know that fact. LSU fans want a kid to grow up now, immediately, no excuses. They don't give a damn about teaching a guy the right way. It's the main reason why true freshman rarely play at QB, even rarer in the SEC. Harris is neither in the system (spread), nor polished enough to jump from high school to starter.
That's all I want to say on that.
People shouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusions and see that Cameron is trying to work through this season and prepare for next season with Harris at the same time. We can't expect him to jump from being raw as frick to playing in a pro style offense against the SEC West, with all extremly inexperienced WRs, and while having as much meat on his bones as Dupre.
I know people want to rattle off names like Kaaya and Watson and even Allen, but none of those QBs, had a raw label attached to them coming out of high schools by many scouts. They were some of the more known "polished" passers and QBs in general. Harris still has that panic mode mentality that many dual threats have. My belief is that Cam wants to break him from that as well.
Then you have the fact that they all play in systems very similar to what they ran in high school as well. Parkway's system isn't close to what Cam runs either.
I say give Cam time to mold this kid. Just quit complaining about him not getting a fair shake or whatever the hell people want to say about this year. No, Jennings will not start until he graduates just because. That is nonsense and somewhere deep inside under all of that delusional thinking people have built up, they know that fact. LSU fans want a kid to grow up now, immediately, no excuses. They don't give a damn about teaching a guy the right way. It's the main reason why true freshman rarely play at QB, even rarer in the SEC. Harris is neither in the system (spread), nor polished enough to jump from high school to starter.
That's all I want to say on that.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 2:07 pm to MJM
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He's 19 why do you keep calling him a kid? Do you feel the same way about men his age fighting in the military? Just a bunch of kids?
Yes they are still just kids. Going to fight in a war doesn't make you adult, but is a very honorable thing to do.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 2:11 pm to ibleedprplngld
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maybe, just maybe, it's the kids.
Then we have a serious problem in talent evaluation relating to QBs.
This post was edited on 12/17/14 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 12/17/14 at 2:20 pm to KingofthePoint
The fact that he is spending this much time screams to me he is close. If he wasn't, CC would be next to Jennings working with him. If Harris isn't close to taking Jennings, possibly the worst QB we have ever had, spot then CC wouldn't be wasting his time in pre-games with him. Time will tell, but the bowl game will not be the indicator more than likely. Fully expect us to go run heavy against a depleted Irish D.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 2:23 pm to Mr. Wayne
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If Harris isn't close to taking Jennings, possibly the worst QB we have ever had
Surely there's been worse. Andrew Hatch comes to mind.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 2:29 pm to ibleedprplngld
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Gents, I know we're all frustrated with the perceived, possible reality, of the coaching staff's inability to develop a strong starting QB. I'm going to take a different approach and say that maybe, just maybe, it's the kids
I don't think it is "the kids".
Outside of lucking into Mett, Miles has not had a single QB he recruited be anything more than slightly above average (at best).
If the problem is, as you say, the kids, then the real problem is QB recruiting. Which again falls on Miles.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 2:31 pm to ibleedprplngld
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I think you have me confused with another poster there bud.
Yeah, I was saying your post was dumb and I was agreeing with him. He misunderstood and was offended, aI didn't look at the name and thought he was OP 
Posted on 12/17/14 at 2:35 pm to ironsides
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he will be a killer on the field (not off the field like Janzen Jackson)
Was this necessary? I'm not seeing how it was necessary.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 2:36 pm to MJM
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He's 19 why do you keep calling him a kid? Do you feel the same way about men his age fighting in the military? Just a bunch of kids?
uhh. definitely.
you should, too.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 2:38 pm to PortCityTiger24
quote:Spot on. Without Cam, Harris would be somewhere else. It's in Cam's best interest to get his "prize" recruit ready, especially for 2015.
Harris and Cam are close. Cam recruited Harris hard and he's the reason Harris came to LSU. So all of a sudden an OC giving attention to a freshman QB during warmups is a negative? We really have some retarded arse fans.
ETA: I'm sure Harris is soaking up the coaching, but allowed his displeasure of not playing show.
This post was edited on 12/17/14 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 12/17/14 at 2:39 pm to semjase
i had never seen "occam's razor" spelled out in writing before.
there are a lot of people pronouncing it like "arkham's razor"
as if there's a batman character that came up with it. 
there are a lot of people pronouncing it like "arkham's razor"
as if there's a batman character that came up with it.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 2:42 pm to ibleedprplngld
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It's apparent that Cam is putting in the time to teach the kid, so what else is there?
there's definitely more that could have been done
cam admits he could have done more
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LSU offensive coordinator Cam Cameron says he ‘could have done better’ with quarterbacks Anthony Jennings, Brandon Harris
Posted on 12/17/14 at 2:43 pm to LACountyTiger
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Outside of lucking into Mett, Miles has not had a single QB he recruited be anything more than slightly above average (at best).
Meh, I think we can reasonably assume that Jarrett Lee would have had a 2000 yard campaign his senior season. Miles not playing him, on the other hand is a different story.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 3:06 pm to ibleedprplngld
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maybe it's just the kid not absorbing what he needs to.
QB is the toughest position on the field to learn. sometimes the mental aspect is overwhelming and it just takes time for the players to adjust to the whole college experience. hell, when I was at LSU freshmen couldn't even play.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 3:17 pm to LACountyTiger
quote:Outside of Jimbo, who Miles inherited, and Cam, Miles has not had the best luck with QB coaches/OC's. Kragthorpe getting ill really hurt too.
Outside of lucking into Mett, Miles has not had a single QB he recruited be anything more than slightly above average (at best).
Posted on 12/17/14 at 3:17 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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Uh, I sure do. How old are you?
Late 30's. Guess I'm oldschool in thinking once you turn 18 you're a fricking adult
Damn pussification of America, I tell ya
Posted on 12/17/14 at 3:22 pm to ironsides
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Andrew Hatch comes to mind.
Better stats though I would have to think Jennings is more talented.
Hatch: 55% completion 6.27 ypa 2 TD 1 Int 3.7 ypc 2 TD's
Jennings: 48% completion 6.85 ypa 10 TD 7 Int 2.8 ypc 0 TD's
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