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re: T. Jackson offically drafted #3 by KC
Posted on 4/25/09 at 4:20 pm to c on z
Posted on 4/25/09 at 4:20 pm to c on z
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T. Jackson offically drafted #3 by KC
F all you haters talking about a reach. A TRUE 3-4 DL is about as rare a commodity as any in the NFL. They had to take him, and they happened to be picking 3. If they had passed on him Cleveland would have taken him at 5 because people who understand the 3-4 understand his value. Good for Tyson and good for KC!!!
Posted on 4/25/09 at 4:29 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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A TRUE 3-4 DL is about as rare a commodity as any in the NFL.
outright lie
3-4 teams used to save money by drafting their DEs later on, b/c you can get DE/DT tweener for the position
the 3-4 is just vogue now, so this position has gained value, which means the 3-4 has lost value and the fad won't last longer
Posted on 4/25/09 at 4:35 pm to c on z
A steal the gem of the draft..you damn right i look at everything through P&G Glasses..If its not LSU,New Orleans Saints,or the New Orleans Hornets im not backing.,. ....geaux teejay
This post was edited on 4/25/09 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 4/25/09 at 4:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
Rudy Niswanger-Tyson Jackson-Glenn Dorsey-Dewayne Bowe and Travis Daniels all starting for the chiefs in 09. LSU Midwest
Posted on 4/25/09 at 5:00 pm to BrokenEnglish
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the 3-4 is just vogue now, so this position has gained value, which means the 3-4 has lost value and the fad won't last longer
Yeah. Belichick is drawing up his new 4-3 D as we speak. Pittsburgh too. (Those two have won 5 of the last 8 Super Bowls by the way) When run correctly, the 3-4 is great and teams are very successful. Its rarely run because finding the right personnel, like Tyson, is very difficult. But that's ok Slow, keep talking as confidently as you do and eventually what you say will be true.
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A steal the gem of the draft..you damn right i look at everything through P&G Glasses..If its not LSU,New Orleans Saints,or the New Orleans Hornets im not backing.,.
Yep, only a die hard unrealistic LSU homer would think the Tyson at 3 wasn't a reach. Except for, you know, the actual NFL GM and entire front office of the team who get paid to evaluate these things and just actually made the pick. But you're right. I'm hopelessly irrational.
This post was edited on 4/25/09 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 4/25/09 at 5:04 pm to Tiger Voodoo
shut your mouth!!!
tyson jackson is made for the NFL.
tyson jackson is made for the NFL.
Posted on 4/25/09 at 5:05 pm to lsu xman
TJ will make 20mil+ guarantee money.
Posted on 4/25/09 at 5:09 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Yeah. Belichick is drawing up his new 4-3 D as we speak. Pittsburgh too. (Those two have won 5 of the last 8 Super Bowls by the way)
you know why?
b/c they could build 3-4 Defenses on the cheap.
they were pretty much the only 2 teams running it, so they could sit to wait on a vince wilfork, banta cain, james harrison, aaron smith, etc. these tweeners didn't fit in a 4-3, so they slid on draft day
they fit in the 3-4, and were great values
now they're not great values, and there will be a shift back to the 4-3 in a few years
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Its rarely run because finding the right personnel, like Tyson, is very difficult.
not true
it's not run well b/c the last time the 3-4 was vogue it was like 1992 and teams adapted
the tampa 2.5 became the vogue D, and most teams went back to the 4-3 and developed cover-2 principles
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Yep, only a die hard unrealistic LSU homer would think the Tyson at 3 wasn't a reach
phillip merling was the #1 3-4 DE picked last year, and a similar prospect to tyson (slight smaller, but more athletic)
you know where he got picked? the beginning of the 2nd round. that means tyson's position went up ONE ROUND in a year
Posted on 4/25/09 at 5:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
I hear ya Slow. But there obviously wasn't as much of a need last year. No demand by teams that run the D, means the player is obviously going to fall.
This year, KC, Cleveland, Denver all had needs for 3-4 DL. So obviously, the value for that position went up.
Would it have been better if they could have traded down? Sure. But to take the best player available at a position that is absolutely critical for the D you want to run is tough to consider a reach.
It doesn't matter to KC that most teams don't run that type of D, so that player has less value for other teams. The bottom line is, they CANNOT do what they want to do on D without a player like Tyson, so his value to them is worth a high pick.
This year, KC, Cleveland, Denver all had needs for 3-4 DL. So obviously, the value for that position went up.
Would it have been better if they could have traded down? Sure. But to take the best player available at a position that is absolutely critical for the D you want to run is tough to consider a reach.
It doesn't matter to KC that most teams don't run that type of D, so that player has less value for other teams. The bottom line is, they CANNOT do what they want to do on D without a player like Tyson, so his value to them is worth a high pick.
Posted on 4/25/09 at 5:29 pm to Tiger Voodoo
Where is he? No video at his house?
Posted on 4/25/09 at 5:39 pm to c on z
What a great day for LSU they break a record for the highest dee player in the draft, open the flood gates boys talent is getting ready to flood in from all corners of the nation LSU puts players high into the draft and it just keeps getting better. Its a beautiful thing !
Posted on 4/25/09 at 5:43 pm to trey512
Glad a Tiger was picked in top 5... Hope he doesn't get considered 3 highly picked LSU bust as some have labeled JR/Dorsey
Posted on 4/25/09 at 6:31 pm to c on z
Congratulations Tyson. Thanks for all you did for LSU. Best wishes in KC and the NFL.
Posted on 4/25/09 at 7:15 pm to AlwysATgr
All the mentions of Bowe and Dorsey in KC...
Where's the love for Rudy Niswanger?
Where's the love for Rudy Niswanger?
Posted on 4/25/09 at 7:29 pm to Sheep
During last year's draft pre-saeson for this year, Kiper even had TJ as the #1 Senior coming out of this draft! So no, it's not a reach!
Posted on 4/25/09 at 9:10 pm to c on z
Does this mean that LSU has had a defensive lineman picked first in the draft in consecutive years? Dorsey &Tyson. The Chiefs have figured out New Englands secret to success. With the Colts winning with Addai and Booger.
Posted on 4/25/09 at 9:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
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tyson in 2006 > any LSU DE the past 10-15 years or so
This is a true statement. Tyson has the potential to be an excellent DE in the 3-4 defense. Marquis Hill could have developed possibly. But, neither will be better than Leonard Marshall. Just ask Joe Montana.
Posted on 4/25/09 at 9:21 pm to glassman
im suprised people arent saying that since he wont be with moffit anymore he will lose 50 lbs and be a pro bowl linebacker
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