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re: T-Bob blew it and why Crowton might be worse than you think
Posted on 10/6/10 at 12:21 am to TenaciousTiger391
Posted on 10/6/10 at 12:21 am to TenaciousTiger391
quote:Will some of you please watch the video before saying things like this. At the snap, there are six guys on the line who rush. There is one DB on the far side of the line and there are three LBs who basically just stand there and would be covering Ridley, Peterson and protecting against a QB draw. That just leaves the three DBs out covering the trips. That's single coverage. Shep is going underneath Toliver and is going to take a DB with him. Though it's hard to tell what route Randle is going to run, it would make sense for it to be a slant, which would leave the back corner empty except for Toliver and the DB covering him.
if they were rushing 6 then seven were in coverage on 4 WR they would have blanketed the end-zone
For the life of me, though, I can't understand why Crowton wanted that play. I would get it if it were Lee throwing it, though it still wouldn't be my favorite call.
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Posted on 10/6/10 at 12:48 am to TigerNlc
quote:Of the possibly hundreds of times that Jefferson has taken a snap from the shotgun, how many times has he let the clock run out or been flagged for a delay of game?
No one could ever know this. He may have or he may have let the clock run out.
There is no reason to think Jefferson would have done anything other than what he usually, if not always, had done. Gets a snap instead of letting the clock run out.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 12:54 am to just me
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There is no reason to think Jefferson would have done anything other than what he usually, if not always, had done. Gets a snap instead of letting the clock run out.
This is not a usual situation. I'm not saying he does either one but you are talking like you know for a fact he knew what he was doing. I don't think he knew what was going on. I don't think he was going to "clock" it for the only reason I have never seen anyone in my life "clock" it from the shotgun position.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 12:59 am to TigerNlc
I don't think any of us know exactly what happened. It was all a huge mess. Like the post Ole Miss game, just hoping it doesn't happen again, but don't have much faith.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:02 am to pdxlsufan
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A free play against 13 defenders. Think about that. Think really, really hard.
What does this mean? LOL.
Doesn't matter if it's against 25 defenders, it's a FREE play.
You realize that a free play means that we get another play if it doesn't work right?
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:06 am to LSUzealot
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dude jefferson completed 30% of his passes with an open field against 11 players...no way he was completing a pass with only 10 yards to work with against 13 players
What does that have to do with his original point though?
And the play doesn't have to work against 13 players because we'd get another play, obviously.
As for the OP in general, I agree. Lots of people just want to hate JJ as much as they can and blame him for everything since he's played so horribly. But the very first time I watched the replay, I thought the same exact thing. Now, I don't wanna blame TBob too much, I'm just glad that he was aware enough to do what he did, even if I thought he did it a tad early. Had we lost, I honestly wouldn't have blamed him, even though I woulda felt that he could have waited a second or so longer.
Watching it in real time, obviously I was worried we wouldn't get the play off in time. But after watching the replay and focusing on JJ, I'm fairly certain he gets that snap off before time expires.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:08 am to TigerNlc
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I don't think he was going to "clock" it for the only reason I have never seen anyone in my life "clock" it from the shotgun position.
Why is this even a question? You don't "think" he was going to clock it? Of all the things I'm uncertain about in the last :30 of that game, I can tell you with 100% certainty that he wasn't "clocking" it there.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:32 am to shel311
GTFO with that nonsense. JJ can't read a defense when there are 11 guys, no way could he have read the D when there were 13 guys on the other side. JJ didn't have a clue what was going on. If he did have a clue he would have looked up, immediately noticed there were 13 guys, take the snap a run straight ahead and once tackled, go straight to the refs a waited for the flag for illegal participation.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:56 am to guttata
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JJ can't read a defense when there are 11 guys, no way could he have read the D when there were 13 guys on the other side.
He doesn't have to read the defense.
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If he did have a clue he would have looked up, immediately noticed there were 13 guys, take the snap a run straight ahead and once tackled, go straight to the refs a waited for the flag for illegal participation.
LOL. Ok, you serious right now? I would hope this is sarcasm, but unfortunately it's not.
So, you'd want your QB to just "run straight ahead", which likely will not work and hope the refs make the call correctly? I'd prefer him to run the play as it was called because NO MATTER what the result was, we were getting another play. Running straight ahead is pointless.
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go straight to the refs a waited for the flag for illegal participation.
And like I said, refs frick up all the time, I'd rather not intentionally rely on them.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 5:10 am to GOP_Tiger
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Think about the futility of Jefferson as a pure runner.
This is really all I can quibble with. Jefferson, despite his obvious lack of game awareness, leadership abilities, and will to win, has shown a capability to make an appropriate read on the read option as well as make a defender or two miss. See his run on the first play of the game for evidence of that.
THAT BEING SAID, I still wonder why we didn't see a) Ridley run the ball, like he'd been doing all game or b) some sort of misdirection at the end of the game (like the play where we fake the handoff up the middle and do a quick pitch outside and sprint to the corner of the endzone).
As has been stated many times, if we fail on that play, we still get another chance. But all in all, running the ball was a MUCH better option than passing if we want to have a chance to score.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 5:48 am to just me
Shocking that Just Me would post in a thread blaming someone other than JJ.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 6:06 am to CamdenTiger
Sounds like, Thank God T-Bob snapped the ball.
T-Bob the hero again
T-Bob the hero again
Posted on 10/6/10 at 7:17 am to GOP_Tiger
T-bob also missed his block on that play.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 7:22 am to Duckie
Dude, its time to let it go...next... 
Posted on 10/6/10 at 7:28 am to GOP_Tiger
That pass to Tolliver would not have worked, what would be the chances that the protection would have been sufficient and JJ actually seeing an open Tolliver. He would have probably thrown an INT so he could even his stats of completed passes to his team and the defense.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 7:30 am to tiger chaser
T-Bob snapped the ball because he didn't want the the game to end without running a play! Any play! J.J. can't read a defense until it is to late!!! Thank God above for T-Bob Hebert! He is one HELL OF A TIGER!
Posted on 10/6/10 at 7:31 am to Statestreet
He may have missed a block, but as he said, he didn't even know the play call.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 7:51 am to guttata
quote:This is a serious contender in the dumbest post of the week category. First of all, Jefferson doesn't begin have time to count the defenders. Secondly, running straight ahead would have been completely doomed to failure -- the pass was a free play and had a chance of success.
JJ didn't have a clue what was going on. If he did have a clue he would have looked up, immediately noticed there were 13 guys, take the snap a run straight ahead and once tackled, go straight to the refs a waited for the flag for illegal participation.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 8:20 am to GOP_Tiger
So, you're telling us that come crunch time Crowton was going to throw those long passes to Tolliver that FAILED TWICE, back to back, on those 2 pt. conversion attempts last year versus Ole Miss? And he risked a clock meltdown to do it?
PLEASE MR. CROWTON TELL ME THIS IS NOT TRUE.
PLEASE MR. CROWTON TELL ME THIS IS NOT TRUE.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 8:28 am to Statestreet
quote:
T-bob also missed his block on that play.
Everyone could have tackled their man, and there would still be 3 unblocked defenders running at JJ
dumb point
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