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re: Strikeout rule makes no sense
Posted on 5/23/19 at 9:44 pm to ForeverEllisHugh
Posted on 5/23/19 at 9:44 pm to ForeverEllisHugh
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Yes but when you think about it logically it’s absurd.
There are a lot of illogical baseball rules.
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Posted on 5/23/19 at 11:23 pm to ForeverEllisHugh
The rule is fine. The defense still has to complete the play. Not blocking the ball = not completing the play. No different than a Sunday hop ground ball with a throwing error or a ball dropped by the first baseman for an error. Pitcher did his part, but the play has to be completed to record the out. If not, error. Hitter gets on base.
Posted on 5/23/19 at 11:29 pm to Conner4real
Ok but a strikout/walk are stats recorded by a pitcher. A catcher doesn’t determine what is a strikeout and what is a walk, so why should he be part of finishing a strikeout if the guy swung and missed
Posted on 5/23/19 at 11:33 pm to Terrific Tales
Bc all a strikeout is is a stat. The pitcher still gets credit for the K on the stat sheet, but the ball is live. Same reason a runner can take a bag on a passed ball K.
Posted on 5/24/19 at 6:09 am to ForeverEllisHugh
Maybe not in peewee league, lol.
Posted on 5/24/19 at 6:38 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Because we’ve always done it this way is one of the worst statements in the world.
Ok. But this is a fundamental piece of what baseball is. Pitcher throws ball. Catcher catches it, hopefully without the batter hitting it. Altering this rule fundamentally alters baseball. The catcher is supposed to catch it. That’s his job.
Posted on 5/24/19 at 7:02 am to Terrific Tales
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There isn’t a single sport in history that operates on the exacts same rules now as it did when it was conceived.
Tiddlywinks!
Posted on 5/24/19 at 7:46 am to Penrod
didn't LSU win a non conference game earlier this year because of dropped strike3
Posted on 5/24/19 at 9:01 am to ForeverEllisHugh
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1. Batter awarded first but an out is still recorded
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2. Batter returns to the plate with the same count
So what if it's the 3rd out? You giving a team a 4th one? You're rule is worse. The present rule is a bit odd, but not a bad rule
Posted on 5/24/19 at 9:23 am to Terrific Tales
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You will get downvoted but yea I don’t get it. If your stuff is good enough to get a guy to swing and miss on strike 3, I think that should be a dead ball, same would go for a walk.
You don’t know baseball.
Dead ball??? Why?
A guy strikes out but you wouldn’t stop play!! A guy could be stealing. The same thing applies to a walk.
The rule is fine just the way it is.
Posted on 5/24/19 at 9:25 am to lsu2006
So why is it only viable for the batter to run on strike three then?
Posted on 5/24/19 at 9:27 am to Oilfieldbiology
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So why is it only viable for the batter to run on strike three then?
Because he can't be out on strike one or two.
Posted on 5/24/19 at 9:34 am to ForeverEllisHugh
What are your thoughts on foul tips? Why is it just a strike on a no or 1 strike count but an out if the catcher catches it on a 2 strike count? Shouldn’t those be consistent too?
Posted on 5/24/19 at 9:37 am to ForeverEllisHugh
I remember an LSU game @ Florida back in about 2000 where an LSU batter STRUCK OUT and beat out the throw to first. It would have been the 3rd out of the inning.
Meanwhile, the runner on 3rd raced home. The scorer awarded the batter an RBI as it was ruled that he was able to advance to first as a result of an error by the catcher. Hence, the all-important, and rare, RBI strikeout.
Meanwhile, the runner on 3rd raced home. The scorer awarded the batter an RBI as it was ruled that he was able to advance to first as a result of an error by the catcher. Hence, the all-important, and rare, RBI strikeout.
Posted on 5/24/19 at 9:49 am to ShawSawTheMoor
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he scorer awarded the batter an RBI as it was ruled that he was able to advance to first as a result of an error by the catcher.
You do not get credited with an RBI due to an error.
And as mentioned earlier....this thread is embarrassing.
Posted on 5/24/19 at 10:51 am to Terrific Tales
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dead ball
dead ball???
what game are we playing here?
so, the batting team has a hit and run on, batter swings and misses, does the catcher not get a chance to throw at the runner?
does the runner have to go back?
leave the rule how it is.
Posted on 5/24/19 at 10:54 am to ForeverEllisHugh
This rule is insanely crucial at younger ages. You always feel bad for teams who don’t have a good catcher because it makes it really hard to get kids out when your catcher drops every strikeout
Posted on 5/24/19 at 11:12 am to SBC
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The three-strike rule in 1845 takes this form: “Three balls being struck at and missed and the last one caught, is a hand out; if not caught is considered fair, and the striker bound to run.” This retains the logic of the rule in Gutsmuths, but with the possibility of the third strike being caught by the catcher: Should the batter swing at and miss three pitches, the ball is in play, just as if he had struck it. If the catcher catches the ball, either on the fly or on the first bound, then the batter is out. This is no different from if any fielder had caught a batted ball. If the catcher fails to catch the ball, the batter runs for first base, just as if a batted ball had gone uncaught.
Posted on 5/24/19 at 1:13 pm to Terrific Tales
But why should you have to block the ball if the guy swings and misses?
Same reason you have to block and catch it if he doesn't swing and miss it...……same reason a runner from third can score on a pass ball, same reason a runner can advance on any bad throw.....BALLS IN PLAY. You pusses wanting to change this rule never played the game.
Same reason you have to block and catch it if he doesn't swing and miss it...……same reason a runner from third can score on a pass ball, same reason a runner can advance on any bad throw.....BALLS IN PLAY. You pusses wanting to change this rule never played the game.
Posted on 5/24/19 at 1:19 pm to Rebel
quote:many dumb rules, laws, etc have been around forever. That’s no excuse for keeping them. Things can change. Football and basketball change rules every year. Hell, even golf made some big changes last year.
It's been a part of baseball forever.
Got to always work to keep the game up to date.
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