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re: Staying positive about Les Miles?
Posted on 11/15/09 at 10:15 pm to specs1
Posted on 11/15/09 at 10:15 pm to specs1
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To be fair, LSU only recently began playing a 12 game regular season and the SEC CG has only been around 10 years.
Okay, he has the highest winning percentage ever.
He will tie Bernie Moore and Saban with 5 bowl appearances for second most ever (Mac went to 13 bowls - should have been 14 - in 18 seasons, do you think anyone will ever coach at LSU for 13 seasons to make a run at Mac's record?)
Championship - only three recognized championship coaches in LSU history - Dietzel, Saban and Miles (though I give Mac partial credit for 1958).
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Posted on 11/15/09 at 10:19 pm to OBUDan
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NOt only was our line getting pushed around by La. Tech, it was getting pushed around by La. Tech's frickin' backups.
This is a trend few LSU fans will admit to, but its been this way last year and this season to date. Gets worse in the second half of games. LSU linemen being pushed around by smaller, less touted players.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 10:21 pm to Ace Midnight
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he has the highest winning percentage ever
No question about the record. That is his job security.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 10:28 pm to Ace Midnight
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Okay, he has the highest winning percentage ever.
Let's see how long that lasts after a few more years like last year.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 10:39 pm to OBUDan
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Staying positive about Les Miles?
How do people do it?
Do the math...50-13...use your brain...think big picture.
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I tried. Suffered through last year, put it on the defensive staff.
You should have put it on Ryan Perilloux. With him we contend...without him, well you know...you suffered through it.
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But the excuses are running out.
Who's making excuses...we're not as talented as past clubs and inexperienced at key positions. only fools think LSU has championship talent. Ask Miami...Fla St...Auburn...Nebraska...Alabama...Tennessee about down cycles.
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I'm asking a legitimate question here. How are you guys who defend Miles standing behind him?
I'll give you a legitimate answer...he hasn't forgotten how to coach championship teams because we, as of now, do not posess championship talent. Screw the recruiting stars and watch our players and I defy you, except for a few, to tell me our talent is exceptional. We are very average at many positions and all the 'coach em up' in the world ain't gonna change that fact. If anything, at 8-2, the staff (except for Crowton) are doing a remarkable job.
You asked and it's JMHO.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 10:47 pm to OBUDan
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But you proved my point. Every year it's a rotating excuse. "Not Les, gotta be the D staff." "Not Les gotta be the young QB." "Not Les, gotta be... ad infinitum.
Haven't you ever heard the "three letter joke"?
Gist of the joke, sorry for the length (TWHS):
When Coach Miles was hired, he found that a predecessor left three letters in his new desk (probably was Dinardo). Each letter was clearly labeled; System Failure #1, System Failure #2, System Failure #3. A post-it note was attached to the bundle of letters, which read:
“In case of a substantial system failure open the letters in order, once per failure, and they will help you through the problem.”
A few years later Coach Miles experienced a system failure that left our team's defense full of holes. While thinking of how to solve the problem Coach Miles remembered the letters. Curious, Miles opened the first letter.
“Fire a coordinator”
After firing the coordinator the defense appeared to be back on the right track. Coach miles was asked to explain what happened and why were down for so long. Taking a queue from the letter he blamed the coordinator. The fans were satisfied with the answer and let him go.
The next year, he had another big failure. This time the offense was struggling. Looking for an answer to explain the underachieving offense, once again, he reached into that desk drawer and opened letter #2.
“Fire the other coordinator”
This time Coach Miles explained to the fans how it wasn’t his fault. It was the offensive coordinator’s fault! If only we had a good offensive coordinator this team would be unbeatable. The fans were again satisfied with his answer, and he kept his job.
Things ran smoothly for the next 18 months. Then he had another underachieving season.
He opened the third letter.
“Write three letters”
Posted on 11/15/09 at 10:47 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Recruiting has been above average
Above average?? Really?? He's only one of the top 3 recruiters in the country.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 11:04 pm to OBUDan
The spin stops here. The RANT is infested with a vocal minority that loves to hate on LSU head coaches--so be it.
Miles might have been lucky to reach the BCS C.G., but when he got to the BCS C.G., Miles and his coaching staff schooled the Ohio St. coaching staff all day long.
Crowton, with the aid of Matt Flynn at QB had Ohio St's #1 scoring defense totally befuddled the entire game. The Magician's game plan worked for 31 unanswered points that game.
My thread stated that our recruiting program will never reach its total potential due to a vocal minority of so called LSU fans who constantly heap hate on LSU head coaches year after, year after, year by calling them incompetents that need to be fired.
This is the NegaTigers recipe for maximizing our success in recruiting--year after year after year.
Do you mean all the way down to 8th in the BCS rankings this week?
So you are complaining about not beating Texas with Vince Young in 2005, or Florida in 2006. and couldn't care less about winning the BCS in 2007 because we got lucky.
You probably don't remember Hurricane Katrina in 2005, and couldn't care less about killing Miami 40-3 in the 2005 Peach, or winning the Sugar in 2006 by killing N.D. 41-14, or scoring 31 unanswred points against Ohio St. in the 2007 BCS C.G, or totally dominating Georgia Tech 38-3 in the 2008 Chick-fil-A bowl.
The NegaTiger Nation couldn't care less about winning bowl games, I bet.
And if we keep him there's no guarantee we'll actually improve and win another NC? That works both ways.
Have you ever heard of the saying "don't fix what an't broke.
My dear sir, you are a complete kool-aid drinker posing as an LSU sports fan.
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We were lucky to say the least, to get there, mostly due to bad coaching.
Miles might have been lucky to reach the BCS C.G., but when he got to the BCS C.G., Miles and his coaching staff schooled the Ohio St. coaching staff all day long.
Crowton, with the aid of Matt Flynn at QB had Ohio St's #1 scoring defense totally befuddled the entire game. The Magician's game plan worked for 31 unanswered points that game.
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I can agree with that. Except you don't. You started a thread about how our recruiting isn't as good as the best teams in the conference...
My thread stated that our recruiting program will never reach its total potential due to a vocal minority of so called LSU fans who constantly heap hate on LSU head coaches year after, year after, year by calling them incompetents that need to be fired.
This is the NegaTigers recipe for maximizing our success in recruiting--year after year after year.
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quote:Because he has LSU football at the highest pinicle of success in history.
Yet quickly sliding down.
Do you mean all the way down to 8th in the BCS rankings this week?
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We didn't when we had JR and all that talent.
So you are complaining about not beating Texas with Vince Young in 2005, or Florida in 2006. and couldn't care less about winning the BCS in 2007 because we got lucky.
You probably don't remember Hurricane Katrina in 2005, and couldn't care less about killing Miami 40-3 in the 2005 Peach, or winning the Sugar in 2006 by killing N.D. 41-14, or scoring 31 unanswred points against Ohio St. in the 2007 BCS C.G, or totally dominating Georgia Tech 38-3 in the 2008 Chick-fil-A bowl.
The NegaTiger Nation couldn't care less about winning bowl games, I bet.
And if we keep him there's no guarantee we'll actually improve and win another NC? That works both ways.
Have you ever heard of the saying "don't fix what an't broke.
My dear sir, you are a complete kool-aid drinker posing as an LSU sports fan.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 11:06 pm to Choctaw
Yeah I have a hard time feeling anything but stoked about Les' recruiting classes most years.
I wish this next year he would concentrate more on the lines though but hey, the man knows what he's doing.
I wish this next year he would concentrate more on the lines though but hey, the man knows what he's doing.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 11:14 pm to OBUDan
B/c we realize there ain't much better we could hire at the moment, I'm risk averse and thus satisfied w/ above avg play mixed in w/ a lucky season here or there (2007). Don't want to see us turn out like other fallen giants: Nebraska,Miami, etc
Posted on 11/15/09 at 11:21 pm to byubengalboy
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I'll give you a legitimate answer...he hasn't forgotten how to coach championship teams because we, as of now, do not posess championship talent. Screw the recruiting stars and watch our players and I defy you, except for a few, to tell me our talent is exceptional. We are very average at many positions and all the 'coach em up' in the world ain't gonna change that fact. If anything, at 8-2, the staff (except for Crowton) are doing a remarkable job.
These are all players he recruited. If he can't recruit championship talent what does that say? I'll to that: we're in worse shape than I thought if we aren't recruiting championship talent.
This post was edited on 11/15/09 at 11:22 pm
Posted on 11/15/09 at 11:23 pm to faxis
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Yeah I have a hard time feeling anything but stoked about Les' recruiting classes most years.
Why? They've all been pretty highly ranked, sans his first year, which he only had a month to work with.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 11:25 pm to OBUDan
NegaTigers hate it when LSU wins.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 11:30 pm to Bad Cat
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Miles might have been lucky to reach the BCS C.G., but when he got to the BCS C.G., Miles and his coaching staff schooled the Ohio St. coaching staff all day long.
yeah, they did. and we've looked amazing in bowl games. i think the "nega-tigers", as you put it, wonder why we can't perform like that on a regular basis.
also, florida wiped the floor with a less talented team against a better ohio state team. moreso than we did.
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Crowton, with the aid of Matt Flynn at QB had Ohio St's #1 scoring defense totally befuddled the entire game. The Magician's game plan worked for 31 unanswered points that game.
Twas the best game he's ever coached. We've gone downhill ever since.
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So you are complaining about not beating Texas with Vince Young in 2005, or Florida in 2006. and couldn't care less about winning the BCS in 2007 because we got lucky.
Yeah, I am complaining about losing to UF in 2006. Not because we lost, but because we managed to score 10 points and played a mistake riddled game. We also scored 3 points against Auburn that year too. All that offensive talent and we can only score 13 combined?
Also, you are the one who argued, "Les Miles wins championships with experienced QBs..." We had an experienced QB and didn't win the SEC. Didn't win the NC.
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You probably don't remember Hurricane Katrina in 2005, and couldn't care less about killing Miami 40-3 in the 2005 Peach, or winning the Sugar in 2006 by killing N.D. 41-14, or scoring 31 unanswred points against Ohio St. in the 2007 BCS C.G, or totally dominating Georgia Tech 38-3 in the 2008 Chick-fil-A bowl.
Yeah, I remember it. But what's the point? Miles had a lot stacked against him that year with the Hurricane and did a good job.
As far as the bowls go, we've been the prohibitive favorite in every bowl game we've played under Miles. We should be destroying these teams. ND - terrible. Miami - beginning their slide under Coker. Georgia Tech - one trick pony. Ohio State is the best bowl team we've played and I already talked about that above.
Look, here's the issue. Miles does not win games he's not supposed to. He has yet to since arriving. Point to me one game where we were a decent underdog (moreso that a point or something) that we pulled out because of great coaching? That coupled with the fact that he loses games that he shouldn't are a bad mixture.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 11:31 pm to Bad Cat
And how can you be a kool-aid drinker if you aren't buying into the current regime?
Posted on 11/15/09 at 11:35 pm to OBUDan
GAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!
Are you people kidding me?
Are they going to put Les Miles' name next to the greats of all time? Probably not.
Les Miles is a damn strong head coach. There are probably only a handful of coaches that I would trade him for ... and don't give me names out of non-BCS schools because there's no guarantee of their success in a conference like the SEC.
Is he #1? No
Is he #1 in the SEC? No
Is he in the top 10 in the country? Probably
Damn, that's good enough for me.
50 wins in 5 seasons and he can still add 3 more to the this one.
Are you people kidding me?
Are they going to put Les Miles' name next to the greats of all time? Probably not.
Les Miles is a damn strong head coach. There are probably only a handful of coaches that I would trade him for ... and don't give me names out of non-BCS schools because there's no guarantee of their success in a conference like the SEC.
Is he #1? No
Is he #1 in the SEC? No
Is he in the top 10 in the country? Probably
Damn, that's good enough for me.
50 wins in 5 seasons and he can still add 3 more to the this one.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 11:36 pm to TriumphTiger
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he can still add 3 more to the this one.
Can, but won't. I'd be surprised if we did, honestly.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 11:36 pm to Bad Cat
No, dumbass, we hate it when LSU plays looks like shite against really shitty teams. We hate that our offense is ranked in the 100s. We hate that Tech was able to run all over us last night. I hate breathing a sigh of relief when we win rather than being excited.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 11:37 pm to OFWHAP
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I hate breathing a sigh of relief when we win rather than being excited.
Having to breathe a sigh of relief against La. Tech, much less a terrible La. Tech team, is never a good sign.
Posted on 11/15/09 at 11:49 pm to OBUDan
quote:+1000 good post.
there are several reasons i stand behind him...
+class act; great rep for LSU; LSU is my college; not my professional football team
+great recruiter
+put exciting and competitive teams on the field
+great record the last 5 yrs, incl an SEC and National Title
we hit a bump last yr and i thing he deserves a chance to right the ship. i see it happening, even though the offense is struggling. we have a chance for a very good bowl this year and our future looks bright. i believe our offense will improve greatly next year; if not, coach miles needs to hold our offensive coaches accountable. i believe GC had earned another yr also. RP and OL attrition has been tough, but i think we will get through this time. the last reason i stick with coach miles is because most of the crap i read on here about why he's not a good coach is unmitigated bull shite propagated by fools that don't know shite about football and their choices for his "replacement" are not proven to be as good as him much less better.
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