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State of the Tigers address....the rational version
Posted on 10/27/08 at 1:06 am
Posted on 10/27/08 at 1:06 am
Good news...maybe the bandwagon will be a little less crowded and some of the front-runners will disappear for a while. We will see who the real fans are this weekend at the Tulane game.
Anyways, many idiots post their delusional bullshite here. I am not an idiot...and here is my rational, unemotional evaluation.
1) The QB situation. People need to be more patient with Lee. Do I wish he would quit throwing TD passes to the other team? Yes. However, this guy has demonstrated enough upside to make me believe that he is gonna be really good. He had a subpar game yesterday. It happens. We are just going to have to take our lumps with him sometimes and experience his growing pains with him. It wasn't supposed to be his turn this year, and I think he has done well given the situation. As for Hatch, I like what he can bring to the table coming in for a play or 2 here or there and running. I like how Crowton uses him. Should he be in the game in obvious passing situations? Hell no. Should he "never see the field again" like some of the geniuses here suggest? No. He can be very valuable and I like his role.
2) The defense. I really thought the idea of the 2-headed defensive coordinator situation would not be a big deal. I was wrong. We are getting out-schemed. Does that make Peveto and Mallory idiots, like people here suggest? No, it doesn't. They are good football guys who bravely took on this situation and appear to be in over their heads. It happens. Miles made the decision to go this way and we will see if he rectifies it at season's end. I would love to see the 2 co's stay around...they are good coaches and would be fine coaching positions as they previously did, but I don't know if that will be possible. For whatever the reason, no individuals on our defense are better than last year...they are either about the same, or worse.
3) The effort. Despite the negative outcome, I was proud of the team. They never quit, on either side of the ball. Lee didn't go completely in the tank after some of his mistakes. That is good. We need him to be strong. The players seem to be mad and want to be better. I heard Derry Beckwith on the postgame. He sounded angry and like he wanted to go out and get after someone. That is good. Miles will not "lose" this team.
4) The fans. For pre-game, I didn't sense a lot of noise and anticipation. Don't give me the bullshite excuse about the day game and not being pumped up. That place should have been raucous in the minutes leading up to the game. It wasn't. Shame on the fans who left early in the 4th quarter. Way to quit on the team. Hope you beat the traffic. That is so important. Kudos to the real fans who stayed.
That is all.
Anyways, many idiots post their delusional bullshite here. I am not an idiot...and here is my rational, unemotional evaluation.
1) The QB situation. People need to be more patient with Lee. Do I wish he would quit throwing TD passes to the other team? Yes. However, this guy has demonstrated enough upside to make me believe that he is gonna be really good. He had a subpar game yesterday. It happens. We are just going to have to take our lumps with him sometimes and experience his growing pains with him. It wasn't supposed to be his turn this year, and I think he has done well given the situation. As for Hatch, I like what he can bring to the table coming in for a play or 2 here or there and running. I like how Crowton uses him. Should he be in the game in obvious passing situations? Hell no. Should he "never see the field again" like some of the geniuses here suggest? No. He can be very valuable and I like his role.
2) The defense. I really thought the idea of the 2-headed defensive coordinator situation would not be a big deal. I was wrong. We are getting out-schemed. Does that make Peveto and Mallory idiots, like people here suggest? No, it doesn't. They are good football guys who bravely took on this situation and appear to be in over their heads. It happens. Miles made the decision to go this way and we will see if he rectifies it at season's end. I would love to see the 2 co's stay around...they are good coaches and would be fine coaching positions as they previously did, but I don't know if that will be possible. For whatever the reason, no individuals on our defense are better than last year...they are either about the same, or worse.
3) The effort. Despite the negative outcome, I was proud of the team. They never quit, on either side of the ball. Lee didn't go completely in the tank after some of his mistakes. That is good. We need him to be strong. The players seem to be mad and want to be better. I heard Derry Beckwith on the postgame. He sounded angry and like he wanted to go out and get after someone. That is good. Miles will not "lose" this team.
4) The fans. For pre-game, I didn't sense a lot of noise and anticipation. Don't give me the bullshite excuse about the day game and not being pumped up. That place should have been raucous in the minutes leading up to the game. It wasn't. Shame on the fans who left early in the 4th quarter. Way to quit on the team. Hope you beat the traffic. That is so important. Kudos to the real fans who stayed.
That is all.
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Posted on 10/27/08 at 6:04 am to LSUGrad9295
+1
Great post.... I agree, we knew going in this was going to be a rebuilding year.
If we beat Bama, everyone will forget these 2 loses. If we dont we should be in a great position to contend next year with a more experienced QB.
I for one will never leave the game early.
Geaux Tigers.
Great post.... I agree, we knew going in this was going to be a rebuilding year.
If we beat Bama, everyone will forget these 2 loses. If we dont we should be in a great position to contend next year with a more experienced QB.
I for one will never leave the game early.
Geaux Tigers.
Posted on 10/27/08 at 6:08 am to LSUGrad9295
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LSUGrad9295
Posted on 10/27/08 at 6:22 am to LSUGrad9295
LSUGrad9295,
Excellent post and your assessment of this year's team and the patience (or lack thereof) by front running fans is "dead on". I'm in total agreement with you.
Buz
Excellent post and your assessment of this year's team and the patience (or lack thereof) by front running fans is "dead on". I'm in total agreement with you.
Buz
Posted on 10/27/08 at 6:35 am to LSUGrad9295
1. Your best defense is your offense. We have a vanilla offense. I understand Lee is young, but he has had two years to learn. How to play LSU???? I would put eight in the box and you would have to beat me with the pass.
2. Defense is weak weak weak. The biggest difference is the play of our corners and safeties. The co-coordinators have chosen to play soft on the corners. We always spot about a 5 yard cushion. Good teams will pick you apart with the quick pass. Your defensive line is now non-existent. What happened to tight coverage and the bump and run? Now about the blitz. We have the same blitz package just about every time. We use to blitz any single one at anytime. Safety blitz? Corner blitz? Left outside linebacker, etc. We send our linebackers most of the time if we do decide to blitz. The center of our field is open most of the time. We look confused on defense. We are always looking at our arms. Our corners are not that bad. It coaching that has them confused. Remember a lot of these guys made big plays in the national championship game.
3. We should beat all average teams. We will lose to the good ones because of the defensive schemes we run with our corners and lack of pressure from all over the field. Offensively, we should be better. Last game interceptions were the fault of the quarterback and no one else. He threw into double and triple coverage. We will win most remaining games, but lose to Bama and Ole Miss. Nutt and Saban are good coaches that will pick our corners apart with the soft coverage and throw over the middle which is always open.
2. Defense is weak weak weak. The biggest difference is the play of our corners and safeties. The co-coordinators have chosen to play soft on the corners. We always spot about a 5 yard cushion. Good teams will pick you apart with the quick pass. Your defensive line is now non-existent. What happened to tight coverage and the bump and run? Now about the blitz. We have the same blitz package just about every time. We use to blitz any single one at anytime. Safety blitz? Corner blitz? Left outside linebacker, etc. We send our linebackers most of the time if we do decide to blitz. The center of our field is open most of the time. We look confused on defense. We are always looking at our arms. Our corners are not that bad. It coaching that has them confused. Remember a lot of these guys made big plays in the national championship game.
3. We should beat all average teams. We will lose to the good ones because of the defensive schemes we run with our corners and lack of pressure from all over the field. Offensively, we should be better. Last game interceptions were the fault of the quarterback and no one else. He threw into double and triple coverage. We will win most remaining games, but lose to Bama and Ole Miss. Nutt and Saban are good coaches that will pick our corners apart with the soft coverage and throw over the middle which is always open.
Posted on 10/27/08 at 6:47 am to LSU Delts
I basically agree with your statement. I realize on offense we have little choice but to hunker down and take it for now until Lee gets better. The defense is what really bothers me. I find it frustrating that there appears to be no fix for the problems we continue to see week after week.
Les is accountable for these deficiencies, and needs to try to fix it, and not just write off the defense as a bad year. Clearly, the CDC's are not getting it done with some pretty darn good players. KC.
Les is accountable for these deficiencies, and needs to try to fix it, and not just write off the defense as a bad year. Clearly, the CDC's are not getting it done with some pretty darn good players. KC.
Posted on 10/27/08 at 7:15 am to LSU Delts
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1. Your best defense is your offense. We have a vanilla offense. I understand Lee is young, but he has had two years to learn. How to play LSU???? I would put eight in the box and you would have to beat me with the pass. 2. Defense is weak weak weak. The biggest difference is the play of our corners and safeties. The co-coordinators have chosen to play soft on the corners. We always spot about a 5 yard cushion. Good teams will pick you apart with the quick pass. Your defensive line is now non-existent. What happened to tight coverage and the bump and run? Now about the blitz. We have the same blitz package just about every time. We use to blitz any single one at anytime. Safety blitz? Corner blitz? Left outside linebacker, etc. We send our linebackers most of the time if we do decide to blitz. The center of our field is open most of the time. We look confused on defense. We are always looking at our arms. Our corners are not that bad. It coaching that has them confused. Remember a lot of these guys made big plays in the national championship game. 3. We should beat all average teams. We will lose to the good ones because of the defensive schemes we run with our corners and lack of pressure from all over the field. Offensively, we should be better. Last game interceptions were the fault of the quarterback and no one else. He threw into double and triple coverage. We will win most remaining games, but lose to Bama and Ole Miss. Nutt and Saban are good coaches that will pick our corners apart with the soft coverage and throw over the middle which is always open.
Please cry me a river
Posted on 10/27/08 at 7:34 am to LSUGrad9295
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3) The effort. Despite the negative outcome, I was proud of the team. They never quit, on either side of the ball. Lee didn't go completely in the tank after some of his mistakes. That is good. We need him to be strong. The players seem to be mad and want to be better. I heard Derry Beckwith on the postgame. He sounded angry and like he wanted to go out and get after someone. That is good. Miles will not "lose" this team.
I'm glad to hear this. With the talent we've got, the team can come out of this season in good shape provided it doesn't lose heart. That never-say-die attitude is what I've liked most about the team under Les Miles, and it's essential to maintain this spirit if we're to move forward in the coming years. I'm not panicking, I think we'll be fine.
Posted on 10/27/08 at 7:57 am to LSU Tiger 216
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LSU Tiger 216 Please cry me a river
Have you been to the games????? If so, get some glasses. This isn't crying, it is the truth.
Posted on 10/27/08 at 8:19 am to LSU Delts
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1. Your best defense is your offense. We have a vanilla offense. I understand Lee is young, but he has had two years to learn. How to play LSU???? I would put eight in the box and you would have to beat me with the pass.
georgia must be in melt down. i mean their defense gave up 497 yards to a vanilla offense.
yes there are problems. but its not easy to win the national championship every year.
Posted on 10/27/08 at 8:27 am to LSU Delts
I agree, I knew going in that the QB position would be a weak link, and excepted that. But I did not expect the defence to be weak. I fell the talent is there, but the coaching is not. I also think that leadership on the field is not there. No one has stepped up on the D and takin a role as the leader like Glenn D did. I dont think the CDC experiment will be tryed again, Les has to hire a out right DC for next year. This has become a rebuilding year, like it or not.
Posted on 10/27/08 at 8:31 am to NELA Tigerfan
quote:no... you didn't drop the R word did you?
I agree, we knew going in this was going to be a rebuilding year.
it makes perfect sense to have a down year. the way things have worked out, we had picked up a young, inexperienced qb at the same time the more experienced qb's for the big teams we play (FL, bama, GA) are getting into their rythm. next year it could be a diff story and in a couple years when stafford & tebow are gone, we will probably roll over them like they did us.
Posted on 10/27/08 at 8:41 am to lsujro
Great assessment. The season is far from over, you know?
We can still beat Alabama. And then make it to the Capital One bowl or a BCS bowl game and finish 11-2. That would be a great rebuilding year.
Even if we lose another, we could finish 10-3 with a Cotton Bowl victory - nothin wrong with that.
We can still beat Alabama. And then make it to the Capital One bowl or a BCS bowl game and finish 11-2. That would be a great rebuilding year.
Even if we lose another, we could finish 10-3 with a Cotton Bowl victory - nothin wrong with that.
Posted on 10/27/08 at 8:42 am to LSU Delts
I disagree with alot of your post.
I found that LSU did blitz against UGA. Stafford hit his hot guy often and easily.
I did agree that LSU needed to put some pressure more, but I am not so sure anymore. Some more thoughtful blitz packages may be in order. Personally, I am starting to believe that making a team "pick us apart" is better than having them make 5-6 plays over 20 yards in each game we play.
#4 was on tight, bump and run coverage when Green burned him. Perhaps we cant play that type of coverage because our Dbs are not as good as advertised? I dunno the answer to that.
We also didnt only blitz linebackers. #7 was coming on a blitz a couple times when we got burnt. I think I would never blitz him as I think is may be the best coverguy LSU has.
Anyhow. alot is wrong. Im sad.
I found that LSU did blitz against UGA. Stafford hit his hot guy often and easily.
I did agree that LSU needed to put some pressure more, but I am not so sure anymore. Some more thoughtful blitz packages may be in order. Personally, I am starting to believe that making a team "pick us apart" is better than having them make 5-6 plays over 20 yards in each game we play.
#4 was on tight, bump and run coverage when Green burned him. Perhaps we cant play that type of coverage because our Dbs are not as good as advertised? I dunno the answer to that.
We also didnt only blitz linebackers. #7 was coming on a blitz a couple times when we got burnt. I think I would never blitz him as I think is may be the best coverguy LSU has.
Anyhow. alot is wrong. Im sad.
Posted on 10/27/08 at 8:44 am to Tiger Phil
i saw tons of rantards pick lsu with 2 or 3 losses to begin with...i don't understand why everyone is on suicide watch...we knew lee would be shaky...
Posted on 10/27/08 at 8:44 am to LSUGrad9295
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The effort. Despite the negative outcome, I was proud of the team. They never quit, on either side of the ball. Lee didn't go completely in the tank after some of his mistakes.
I beg to differ. You must have not been at the game. On Lee's last interception, Lee stood flatfooted after the pick and make no effort to go after the LB to stop him from scoring. Most of the rest of the offense did the same (nothing!) except Big Herm. You're not being honest with yourself by this conclusion.
Posted on 10/27/08 at 8:45 am to L5UT1ger
i agree it appears our db's aren't good enough man to man, at least against good receivers, to allow us an effective rush. stafford was getting rid of the ball quick when we blitzed and they got big plays every time. i think our safety could blitz, though, because they don't seem to do anything anyway.
Posted on 10/27/08 at 8:46 am to Hootie
quote:i think we played pretty hard even when the game was over. we were scoring til the end, they never quit. the fans quit.
I beg to differ. You must have not been at the game. On Lee's last interception, Lee stood flatfooted after the pick and make no effort to go after the LB to stop him from scoring. Most of the rest of the offense did the same (nothing!) except Big Herm. You're not being honest with yourself by this conclusion.
Posted on 10/27/08 at 9:20 am to Hollywood7 Tiger
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i saw tons of rantards pick lsu with 2 or 3 losses to begin with...i don't understand why everyone is on suicide watch...we knew lee would be shaky...
once we got passed auburn it went to "championship or bust".
Posted on 10/27/08 at 9:25 am to noonan
I think we're ok. What did we expect? How many games did FL lose last year? Every week they get a little more experience and we lets finish strong. Ole Missy isn't going to lay down for us this year.
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