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Posted on 9/30/16 at 2:28 pm to yomamak
Yes, to both.
For the record that was true of both Dinardo and Saban. And it will tough for the next permanent coach to accomplish what our last 3 did in terms of these questions.
For the record that was true of both Dinardo and Saban. And it will tough for the next permanent coach to accomplish what our last 3 did in terms of these questions.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 2:29 pm to AlxTgr
You think LSU is a top 5 program and I don't. But it IS a top 5 job. Yes that is my opinion and the two things are different.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 2:30 pm to dukke v
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ou think LSU is a top 5 program and I don't. But it IS a top 5 job. Yes that is my opinion and the two things are different.
It was not a top 5 job in 2005. That's my point.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 2:31 pm to dukke v
quote:I never said that. Re-read.
You think LSU is a top 5 program
Posted on 9/30/16 at 2:32 pm to dukke v
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The program was a disaster when Saban got here. He built a top 5 program from out of the gutters.
Laughably untrue. Yes, Dinardo's renovation project failed - but he took the program that was essentially a D+ and made it a B - in 2 years - the fact he slipped back to a C, while setting the table for Saban's rise - Saban did not take over a broken program in disarray - just one that needed a good, swift kick in the pants. The kids that won that 2001 SEC title were almost to a man recruited by Dinardo.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 2:34 pm to south bama tiger
Ok. You can say that but it was on its way up , and Saban created that. Now I have said that miles did a great job keeping it on course, until 1/9, and since then the program has started to spiral downward. But in this day and age LSU is a top 5 job even with the program not being what it was say 9-10 years ago.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 2:43 pm to dukke v
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Ok. But has Miles left the program in as good a shape as when he got here.
Probably not. He brought in a lot of good football players but couldn't shake the dysfunctional offense. I think it's a shame personally. He proudly represented LSU and the state of Louisiana his entire time here.
It's pitiful that there are so many people on here that don't see that and won't show the man the respect he so rightfully deserves, in my opinion.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 2:48 pm to dukke v
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Why Madison??? You really think that would have increased our chance of winning????? Or are you just being selfish and thinking about yourself and the fun you didn't have.
Never change, PEEJ
This post was edited on 9/30/16 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 9/30/16 at 2:58 pm to Jester
quote:when miles took over, lsu was 2 years removed from a NC & sec title & ranked in the top 15, orgeron is taking over a program that is 9 years removed from a NC, & 5 years removed from a SEC title & unranked. so how can you say it's better now than in 05?
Simple question, did Miles leave the program in better shape than he inherited it?
Yes
Posted on 9/30/16 at 3:08 pm to Ace Midnight
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the fact he slipped back to a C
4-7 and 3-8 does not grade out at C..
However there is no doubt that he left Saban some good players.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 4:41 pm to JohnnyU
Yes he did leave Saban with some good players. And Saban left Miles with GREAT players. And it worked until 2007. Then the wheels came off in 2008 and 2009. He reached ONE more peak in 2011, and it's been going downward ever since.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 5:28 pm to yomamak
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Simple question, did Miles leave the program in better shape than he inherited it?
No. At best it is at the same level when he took over. If anything, I'd say it is slightly weaker in that it is on a trend of decline. Can't say the same when he took over.
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Also is LSU a better job now then we he took it over?
It is and it isn't, but not because of him. Mainly because people can see that LSU under Saban wasn't a fluke/flash in the pan. On the other hand, there was no team near as dominant as Bama has been right now in the SEC when Les took over.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 5:39 pm to JohnnyU
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4-7 and 3-8 does not grade out at C..
However there is no doubt that he left Saban some good players.
Do you believe that if Miles had replaced Dinardo the results would have been the same?
Posted on 9/30/16 at 5:45 pm to dukke v
last 4 years of saban era- 23-9 in the SEC, 1 NC, 3 SEC titles, left miles with an insane number of talented players
last 4 years of miles era- 15-11 in the SEC, 0 NC, 0 SEC titles,
but some of you guys think the state of the program is better now?
last 4 years of miles era- 15-11 in the SEC, 0 NC, 0 SEC titles,
but some of you guys think the state of the program is better now?
Posted on 9/30/16 at 5:59 pm to roygu
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Do you believe that if Miles had replaced Dinardo the results would have been the same?
Not by a long shot. Miles could never have accomplished what Saban accomplished. Saban took what he was left by Dinardo (Toe, Davis, Ro, Reed, Jarvis Green, Ryan Clark, Royal, Trev, Brady) and built on it. More importantly he got the TAF/boosters to open their wallets for the academic center, Football ops building and lastly he changed the culture.
Miles might have had modest success but may not have lasted 5 years.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 6:16 pm to JohnnyU
BOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on 9/30/16 at 6:36 pm to JohnnyU
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4-7 and 3-8 does not grade out at C..
Obviously I don't grade those teams as a C, but it's fair to say the program had a turnaround from the bottom of the Hallman years. The team was competitive, but the defense was porous. For example, 94 and 98 had the same record. No one would argue the 94 team was as good as the 98 team.
When Dinardo was fired, LSU was only 2 seasons removed from a solid 9-3 season (including a 27-0 blanking of Bama in T-Town) and convincing bowl win over Notre Dame - in fact, Dinardo didn't drop below .500 in the SEC until the very last game he coached. You concede he left Saban "good players" (sure - All American Bradie James was "good").
Contrast that to the end of the Hallman era - LSU had started to slide under Archer. This became an avalanche under the hapless Hallman, as he failed to secure a single winning season, going 0fer against Florida (losing 4 games by a combined 155-58), as well as fielding the worst football team in LSU history. His 1992 squad is notable for both going 2-9 (1-7 in the SEC - man Mississippi State must have SUCKED that year) and not having a single eligible player selected in the 1993 NFL draft - the first time that had happened since 1942 - and not repeated since.
So, I stand by the fact that Dinardo:
1. Left LSU better than he found it, and
2. Made the job a better job for his successor than when he took it.
For frick's sake - he followed Hallman - there was no other outcome possible, even in theory.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 7:00 pm to Ace Midnight
LSU came out ranked #5 in 2005...before Miles coached a single down. 2016 he wasn't able to even finish half of the season without being shite canned...and left LSU unranked. You tell me if he left the program better off than when he inherited it.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 7:27 pm to TheBaker
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You tell me if he left the program better off than when he inherited it.
Yes. He had the most sustained success of any LSU coach - ever - possibly excepting Cholly Mac. He is the only LSU coach to defeat Bama, Florida, Tennessee and Auburn in the same season - and he did it twice. He led only the second undefeated regular season at LSU in the modern era. His high water mark was at kickoff on 1/9/2012. Everybody knows that. Certainly he does.
But, let's not tear him down because he had the decline every coach has if he stays some place too long. Especially when it is not supportable.
And, as a reminder for the Sabanistas - it's not like we fired Saban to hire Miles. Saban quit on us and we had to do what we had to do.
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