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re: So When does LSU Play a Complete Game? (Passing Game Stats Inside)

Posted on 10/4/15 at 3:50 pm to
Posted by LACountyTiger
Los Angeles County
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 10/4/15 at 3:50 pm to
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i'm honestly curious how many of our routes are gos and deep posts. i seriously think they are about 80-85% of our routes



SFP, do you go to the games or watch on tv?

I ask because I agree with a lot of your posts, particularly about the complete lack of the short-intermediate passing game.

Living in CA, I can only watch the games on TV, so I can't really see what routes the receivers are running. I just see where the ball gets thrown.

So my question is, are there really no short-intermediate routes being called or is the QB just not seeing them and going for the home run every time?
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46625 posts
Posted on 10/4/15 at 3:50 pm to
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2011 may have been the most exciting team to watch, but they were a QB away from being the best.


This is such a bullshite myth. Our qb play was decent in 2011. Great? No. But there have only been 5 great qbs in our enitre history.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422561 posts
Posted on 10/4/15 at 3:51 pm to
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Except yes we do. We run a prostyle route tree

theoretically, we do

it appears that cam has to be happy with ever single facet of the offense and miles has to give him permission to throw those routes

we VERY rarely get to see a full passing tree in actual games, and we haven't seen that shite this year almost at all

i don't think we've run one combo route, crossing route, or double-move in all of 2015
Posted by Me4Heisman
Landmass
Member since Aug 2004
5509 posts
Posted on 10/4/15 at 3:52 pm to
I guess our definitions of "decent" are vastly different.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46625 posts
Posted on 10/4/15 at 3:53 pm to
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don't think we've run one combo route, crossing route, or double-move in all of 2015





What's laughable is you have no idea if this is true unless you've seen the all 2 film. We both know you havent.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/4/15 at 3:53 pm to
like i said earlier

if you're going to abandon a full passing game adn go for very limited and efficient, that 2011 team was the team it should have worked with

wasn't enough
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 10/4/15 at 3:53 pm to
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So my question is, are there really no short-intermediate routes being called or is the QB just not seeing them and going for the home run every time?


Cameron's offense is designed for the primary read to be the deep threat... this is especially true when the safeties are coming down in the box in run support. This could very easily be a symptom of not going through progressions.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46625 posts
Posted on 10/4/15 at 3:54 pm to
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guess our definitions of "decent" are vastly different.


19 tds-3 ints 63 %compl and qb rating of 139 isn't decent? Because that was our combined qb stats for 2011.
Posted by L S Usetheforce
Member since Jun 2004
22766 posts
Posted on 10/4/15 at 3:55 pm to
Do you really have nothing better to do on a Sunday afternoon? Emotionally you've vested like 4 hours into this.........you haven't had a kid yet? How much more masterbation can you take?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422561 posts
Posted on 10/4/15 at 3:55 pm to
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What's laughable is you have no idea if this is true unless you've seen the all 2 film. We both know you havent.

well it's easy to see if our WRs are dragging across the middle for crossing routes

and we very rarely have 2 WRs on one side of the field to even attempt combo routes

you can eliminate a lot of routes by formation, which we do quite often. i mean shite we run 1-WR formations all the time and have an OT playing TE plus a fullback
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46625 posts
Posted on 10/4/15 at 3:55 pm to
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wasn't enough 


There are no defenses in cfb that come close to that bama 2011 defense.
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 10/4/15 at 3:55 pm to
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This could very easily be a symptom of not going through progressions.



Gotta blame the players.

Coaches are never wrong or inept.
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
27834 posts
Posted on 10/4/15 at 3:55 pm to
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What's laughable is you have no idea if this is true unless you've seen the all 2 film

Actually the laughable thing is that we actually completed some of those same routes last night even though we only completed 4 passes.

The passing game isn't good and needs to be much more efficient, but it is always fun to see the alleged X and O gurus try to break it all down for us.
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 10/4/15 at 3:56 pm to
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if you're going to abandon a full passing game adn go for very limited and efficient, that 2011 team was the team it should have worked with


Yes and no. There isn't a single lineman or running back from that team that made so much as a footprint in the pros. I'd even suggest that the current team is a better option than the one you're applying it to.

In either event, it's a formula that SHOULD work when you have #7 on the team (for either team).
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422561 posts
Posted on 10/4/15 at 3:57 pm to
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Do you really have nothing better to do on a Sunday afternoon?

i have 2 TVs in front of me with NFL games on

well one with a game adn one with the DirecTV fantasy channel

quote:

you haven't had a kid yet?

uh, frick no

maybe in 5-10 years
Posted by Geaux Tahel
Member since Feb 2006
6631 posts
Posted on 10/4/15 at 3:57 pm to
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you haven't had a kid yet?


Who would be that desperate to give him the chance?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260576 posts
Posted on 10/4/15 at 3:58 pm to
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If this is what you truly believe then you need help. It's not the coaches fault when our qb and wrs can't execute a simple out route.


Absolutely is. Who recruits and trains these guys? Why is LSU, recruiting machine, having continued issues with this when other teams can pick up a JR college scrub transfer and succeed?
Posted by White Tiger
Dallas
Member since Jul 2007
12830 posts
Posted on 10/4/15 at 3:59 pm to
from your lips to the football gods' ears...
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422561 posts
Posted on 10/4/15 at 3:59 pm to
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I'd even suggest that the current team is a better option than the one you're applying it to.

with our defense and special teams this year? no way

i mean ignore the game-changing and scoring plays from both. keane v. elite brad wing is a HUGE difference
Posted by Lonnie4LSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
9525 posts
Posted on 10/4/15 at 4:00 pm to
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our defense, which should be our #1 concern


Our D, to this point in the season, is #15 in the nation and our O is #44 in the nation.

quote:

that's just luck




Of course it is. Lets not give credit to the team for practicing hard and playing hard to have LSU #5 in the nation. Lets just tell them they are lucky.

Why don't you just admit that you are a Negative Nancy and you will bitch bout the team be they 0-2 and out of the Top 20 or 2-0 and #5?

It's all good. I'm a sunshine pumper, for the most part, and admit it. You can fess up to being a Negative Nancy....cant you?

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