re: So no turning back, right?

I think there is

Look at Gary APtterson at TCU

he was really on the hot seat after going 7-6 and 4-8

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13-11 in the SEC the last 3 seasons

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Hallman went 10-21 over 4 seasons.

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barely beating MSU, struggling against cupcakes,

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Those are still wins, though, right?

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Stop with the Fulmer comparison.

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Because it is devastating to your case?

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Les is nearly .500 in SEC play the last 3 seasons.

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But, above .500, right?

Tennessee is below .500 OVERALL since firing Fulmer.

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When is the last time he won a bowl game?

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23 months ago, 2014 Outback Bowl, 21-14 over Iowa.

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Let it go.

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Let what go? Rational analysis and critical thinking.

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Even if you're right that Herman or Fuente ends up our guy

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And I'm just using those guys as examples - could be Klingsbury.

It will NOT be Chip Kelly, Jimbo Fisher, (Nick Saban that some folks have wet dreams about), Jon Gruden, Dabo Swinney, hell, even Dan Mullen would likely balk at coming behind this.

Kirby Smart or Bobby Petrino would even be stretches at this point. It will either be a well-thought of coordinator, or a unproven, young mid-tier HC.

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We're going to be fine, you'll see.

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I mean, I hope so, certainly. But winning doesn't just happen, regardless of whether or not the average LSU fan thinks it does.

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What exactly is the "shitshow?" I honestly don't know what you're referring to.

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I can't speak for Mr. Hangover but for me, the biggest problem that could happen is losing recruits.


They don't know who they're going to be playing for. Miles? Fisher? Orgeron? Who's going to be there if I commit? A big name or some guy that's just getting going?

Alleva can say "trust me" all he wants but that's not going to go over real well with 18-19 year old kids who want to play ball. They don't know anything about you, Alleva. What sort of assurances do you give them?

I hate how Alleva has let this come out and he isn't saying anything about it. If the writing is on the wall, so to speak, then just let everyone know, like VT did with Beamer. (I understand he retired but it's in the same neighborhood)


Alleva is doing more damage by not saying anything about this. He's handling the entire matter very poorly.

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My bet is that Alleva has his man.

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The problem with this is that it must be some sort of quasi-religious faith, because nothing Alleva has done in his professional career gives me any confidence he even knows how to hire a head football coach or handle any crisis.

And for those shouting, "But the big money boosters..." Yeah, right. First of all, they don't speak with one voice either. You have Shreveport factions, Alexandria/Monroe folks, Lafayette, New Orleans, not to mention those rich pricks actually in Baton Rouge. You ever heard, "Too many chefs spoil the soup"? That's how and why our coaching searches always seem to go tits up at some point and we take some out of the blue option. Sometimes, it works (Saban) - other times have been very mixed results.

But, bigger than the decision itself - maybe it is time for Miles to go and maybe he doesn't realize it. It should have been handled better, more tactfully, more respectfully. This is a guy who has done nothing but win and try to do the right thing by people. And there are some who have never forgiven him for not being Saban. And, for frick's sake - we didn't fire Saban, he quit on us. All we did was hire the best guy we could find - and that guy, Les Miles, did a great job and never got anything like respect from the Sabanistas.

Damn, clearly you're passionate about this and I understand where you are coming from here.

I respect what Miles has done at LSU tremendously and I often tell others that his tenure at LSU has been the best decade of LSU football in its history.

So I am not in the Sabanista camp and though I respect him I've been thrilled to have Miles as our coach.

Wins are wins and over time Les won a lot, which is more than most SEC programs can say. I am one of those who actually HAS been content to say that we're the 2nd best program in the toughest division in the toughest conference in CFB.

Les had the misfortune of going against the best in the game since the other legend at Alabama and that isn't Les' fault.

I get it that you're pissed about the way Les is going out but the man has made $50M and will likely get a massive buyout.

It's not quasi religious faith that I have in Alleva as a proven AD. But I DO see an intelligent man who is under intense pressure from irrational boosters to get this right.

AND he has a Brinks truck filled with money and an amazing story to tell for the career minded individual who wants to roll in here and make millions, literally millions to coach LF, Harris, Dupree, Guice, Adams, Tolliver etc with a sick recruiting class that could largely be retained if we name this successor soon.

Hence I think we'll be alright.

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I get it that you're pissed about the way Les is going out but the man has made $50M and will likely get a massive buyout.

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Wow. If only this were only about money, right?

I don't think we're that far apart - but counting on Alleva to do the right thing is misplaced. With LSU's history of hiring football head coaches, this one will likely be extremely embarassing. And we lose next year's recruiting class - or enough of it to count - and it was looking like the best one since 2003.

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if we name this successor soon.

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That isn't going to happen - CAN'T happen. We'll be lucky to have the next coach named before January 1st - I'll be shocked and take back some of the things I've said about Alleva. This could drag into mid-January - and if so, there will be panic and they'll hire anyone who will take the job, particularly once Kelly settles in at USCw, Hermann goes to USCe, Jimbo stays put with a fatter wallet and we're looking at Klingsbury or Fuentes - IF WE'RE LUCKY.

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It's not quasi religious faith that I have in Alleva as a proven AD.

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Based on what, then? "Pressure" never made decisionmaking better, IMHO.

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Am i alone in thinking that TAF is going to have the final say in the hiring of a new HC?

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That's the problem with all of this - TAF has the buyout money and zero legal or contractual authority over hiring/firing a coach.

And who do you mean by "TAF"? The President? His board? His big money boosters?

You're assuming that there is any sort of agreement on any coach who would actually take the job if offered - which is a terrible assumption to make at this point.

Either a hire will be lined up quickly, or Alleva will make nice and Miles will get another year with Frank Wilson taking Cam's spot, and a couple of guys on the cheap filling in as QB Coach and Special Teams Coach. You can bet the house that Alleva knows this is it. If he messes this hire up, he's done here, and will never sniff another Power 5 AD job. You think he's going out on a limb, knowing that? So much for "critical thinking and reasoning." Damn.

There are other guys out there than the ones mentioned. Guys like Fedora, Mullen, and Wittingham who have Power 5 resumes, but would most likely see LSU as a step up from where they are. I'm sure those programs will do their best to match an offer, but here is where LSU has a good ace in the hole- a real track record of playing top dollar not just for a coach, but for the staff that he wants. That may not have worked out for Miles, but the fact that the administration has shown a willingness to get things done is an attractive selling point. You can bet your arse that Utah and UNC aren't going to match having one of the highest paid staffs in the FBS.

You see, this is biggest difference between those past coaching searches and today. LSU used to pinch pennies when it came to hiring coaches. It wasn't until Mark Emmert shoved Joe Dean out of the damn way and proved that we would pay top dollar that things changed. We aren't going to revert back to the dark days like some of you think, because today's LSU will put the money on the table to get the right kind of guy.

As for UT, they did wait and give Fulmer time. Like Miles, his stubbornness killed him. His recruiting started to slip as the rest of the east gained on him, and that was the only thing he was good at. Everyone blamed the stale offense on Randy Sanders, but you know what? Sanders has been pretty successful since he got forced out there. Like Miles, Fulmer had his hands all over their offense. When he was given an ultimatum to change, he got stupid like Tubby did in the end at Auburn, and tried to switch to a spread option offense overnight. Both of them got fired for it.

UT doesn't have near the recruiting base of the schools to their south. That's why Fulmer was successful there. He recruited nationally. His dip in recruiting, followed by the upheaval of Kiffin bailing is what killed them. 3 coaches in 3 years with no connections between them or their staffs was a DEATH SENTENCE in recruiting. Their situation has absolutely nothing to do with ours.

Signing day is in February, not next week. Think about it.

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Dude, the local sports page leaked the story per the AD's request!


I'm not doubting you, but is that fact?

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no some poster on here or some talking head on the radio says one opinion and the Rant runs with it as a fact.