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So no turning back, right?
Posted on 11/24/15 at 8:45 pm
Posted on 11/24/15 at 8:45 pm
This is a total shite show. If Miles is staying, he's forever damaged. Hell, afternoon drive in Phoenix today consisted of speculation of whether CLM would take USC job. It's everywhere. You can't recruit, you might as well be Bobby Bowden circa 2011. It's over.
The national media built this now trashes LSU fans for it.
It's got to be over at this point. Miles is neutered without support from Alleva. Silence is deafening. He has to do it. Hope WE have a plan. No program is immune from mediocrity.
shite's getting real. I'll tolerate a great deal, but this is all on Alleva now. He better have a plan.
The national media built this now trashes LSU fans for it.
It's got to be over at this point. Miles is neutered without support from Alleva. Silence is deafening. He has to do it. Hope WE have a plan. No program is immune from mediocrity.
shite's getting real. I'll tolerate a great deal, but this is all on Alleva now. He better have a plan.
This post was edited on 11/24/15 at 11:02 pm
Posted on 11/24/15 at 8:47 pm to ChunkyLover54
The media is like a runaway cancer; no matter what it touches, it gets worse.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 8:47 pm to ChunkyLover54
If we don't have a plan, then the plan is Alleva gone!
Posted on 11/24/15 at 8:48 pm to ChunkyLover54
There is no turning back from this. It also makes the prospect of getting a quality coach more unlikely, IMHO.
What kind of reputable coach wants to come into this shitshow?
Win 80% of your games - arguably the most successful coach in history and they fire you in the middle of a winning season with a fricking media leak?
Utter bullshite.
What kind of reputable coach wants to come into this shitshow?
Win 80% of your games - arguably the most successful coach in history and they fire you in the middle of a winning season with a fricking media leak?
Utter bullshite.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 8:48 pm to ChunkyLover54
Perhaps LSU should have beat Arkansas and Ole Miss and not got blown out?
Posted on 11/24/15 at 8:49 pm to ChunkyLover54
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This is a total shite show
Just let things play out after the TAMU game
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If Miles is staying, he's forever damaged
Les is not staying
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Hell, afternoon drive in Phoenix today consisted of speculation of whether CLM would take USC job. It's everywhere
Who cares? It's called speculation for a reason.
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Hope we have a plan
We wouldn't have gone down this road without a plan
Posted on 11/24/15 at 8:52 pm to kbro
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We wouldn't have gone down this road without a plan
Dear Christ I hope you're right.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:11 pm to ChunkyLover54
they were talking about it here in okc today, and said the same thing. "you have to fire him now", "he's defiantly gone", ect.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:12 pm to Brendoni
No way he stays....a&m is his swan song.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:23 pm to kbro
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We wouldn't have gone down this road without a plan
If this plan involved listening to Jimmy Sexton - I would say that it may have some flaws.
Look - this is done, as far as Miles going - but those of you who aren't old enough to recall the coaching searches going back to Archer -
Let's go back to cover the coaches over my lifetime (yeah, I'm old buddy - wanna make something of it?):
Mac was the coach when I was born.
1979 - Dietzel was brought back to be AD to fire Mac.
Bo Rein hired - died before coaching a game - crazy aviation incident - probably decompressed and everyone died without ever knowing what went wrong - plane never found.
Jerry Stovall - never head coached in his life - legendary player and assistant to Mac - came in as an emergency hire. Defeated Bear Bryant in that coach's last game against LSU. Fired after 4 seasons (despite efforts of the sitting governor and a former governor), finished 22-21-2, losing record in conference, 0-1 in bowl games, never coached again.
Arnsparger - came in to replace Stovall. 26-8-2, overall, in 3 seasons. Not fired by LSU, but left to become AD at Florida. Returned to coaching for 3 seasons as a DC in the NFL (San Diego).
Archer, more or less handpicked by Arnsparger (and the players) despite questions about his lack of head coaching experience. Started strong but faded quickly, fired after 4 seasons - 27-8-1 (1-1 in bowls - first season finished #5 in the polls). He went on to a distinguished assistant coaching career, including Super Bowl rings, etc. and is still coaching at Virginia. THIS IS WHERE IT GETS IMPORTANT.
Hallman - Archer was fired, more or less, to get Hallman or someone like him. Hallman was 23-13 at Southern Miss - get that - he had a WORSE resume than Archer. He also overlapped his Southern Miss with a QB out of Kiln, MS with a difficult-to-pronounce last name (Favre/Farva - some frickin' thing). A lovable loser, to be sure, but a loser nonetheless - kept on losing as long as he coached. Hallman was fired because, well, frick Hallman (16-28, 10-21 in conference - in other words bad for even a Mississippi State coach).
Dinardo - who was coaching at fricking Vanderbilt - I drank the Kool Aid as well, on that one - unlike our current situation, literally any change WOULD have been an upgrade from Hallman. And Dinardo was - too loyal to assistants, for sure, but a damned fine CEO type head coach and because of his background at Notre Dame, had a unique, almost organic understanding of what LSU needed to do to get back. All that rebuilding that Saban gets the lion's share of credit for? Well, at a minimum, he owes an assist - if not a half a sack, to mix metaphors - to one Gerard Paul Dinardo. Dinardo was fired after a similar situation to the one we have - but, instead of going quietly, he just quit prior to the last game, which is what they have goaded Miles to do, but he's about $15 million smarter than they are at this point.
Saban - while not going into what he did while he was here, a successful head coach for whom coaching at LSU was not enough. He pursued his "dream" of coaching in the NFL for a solid 2 years before running back to CFB and Alabama.
We were lucky to get Les Miles after the Christmas present that year.
So, here we are - people who have never forgiven Miles for not being Saban finally get their wish.
And may G-d help us all....
This post was edited on 11/24/15 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:24 pm to ChunkyLover54
I don't see how he can effectively recruit after this. I mean how is Junior Day this summer going to go if Les is still the coach?
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:26 pm to ChunkyLover54
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The national media built this now trashes LSU fans for it.
Dude, the local sports page leaked the story per the AD's request!
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:42 pm to Revelator
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Dude, the local sports page leaked the story per the AD's request!
I'm not doubting you, but is that fact? I've been out of town, not that I know everything and everyone anyway.
All I can say is those sons of bitches in the athletic department, boosters or whomever else better have a god damned plan.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:44 pm to Ace Midnight
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If this plan involved listening to Jimmy Sexton - I would say that it may have some flaws
I tend to agree with this as Sexton is interested in 2 things and 2 things only:
1. Getting as much $ as possible for himself
2. Getting as much $ as possible for his clients
He is not interested in the well being of any university and he wins whether JF gets paid more at LSU or FSU.
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Look - this is done, as far as Miles going
Yes it is done and it NEEDS to be done
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Let's go back to cover the coaches over my lifetime
History does show that over time LSU doesn't compete for SEC championships and certainly not national championships with regularity.
I am perfectly willing to call Miles' tenure the best 10 year run and he's had us in the national discussion and relevant for the better part of a decade.
I appreciate him for that,but coaches all over America are fired for 3 years worth of poor performance and Les is 13-11 in the SEC over the past 3 years.
The product on the field is excruciating to watch against tough competition.
Les coaches not to lose.
He does a poor job of utilizing his playmakers.
We are mistake prone, penalty ridden, undisciplined and disorganized. These things have long been trademarks of Miles coached teams.
Alleva may be slimy but he is an intelligent man. He has 100% of his chips shoved to the center of the table over this decision to can Les and the subsequent hire that he makes to replace him.
It is unfathomable to me that he would haphazardly go down this road with no plan in place b/c of all that is riding on it for him.
Smart businesses adapt and make changes before the need to do so is glaringly obvious. Unfortunately it's glaringly obvious that we need a change.
Let things play out and watch how this unfolds. If we open up a search, then Alleva either didn't have a plan or his plan backfired.
2015 Les Miles plainly cannot get it done at a high level any longer. His teams seems to have zero confidence in the plan he sends them into battle with each week. 2015 Les Miles is a shell of the ballsy, risk taking, play to win coach that we saw years ago.
LSU will be better off whether we get a big name guy or a hungry, motivated up and coming coach who needs to prove himself.
This post was edited on 11/24/15 at 9:49 pm
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:48 pm to ChunkyLover54
To me it's crazy to think about this....
Say a 'mediocre' coach comes in here and wins a NC right off the bat with, yep, I'll say it MILES' players... It actually happens after all these years of sucking someone else's dick (saban) that another coach comes in here and wins a title with the formers' players...
Another season or two goes by with say 10-3 and 9-3 records and this guy gets an extension..... But in all actually he's a terrible coach and the program goes to shite...
Then what??
Say a 'mediocre' coach comes in here and wins a NC right off the bat with, yep, I'll say it MILES' players... It actually happens after all these years of sucking someone else's dick (saban) that another coach comes in here and wins a title with the formers' players...
Another season or two goes by with say 10-3 and 9-3 records and this guy gets an extension..... But in all actually he's a terrible coach and the program goes to shite...
Then what??
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:48 pm to Mr. Hangover
I'm not at all saying that I hope or think this happens, but it's possible and it will be funny to see the backlash that ensues
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:49 pm to ChunkyLover54
People on here keep talking about a "shitshow." I'm not really sure what is being referred to. What are you talking about? I don't watch Tony Cornhizer or whoever -- is it those assholes getting you all worked up? If that's the case, turn off the TV.
What exactly is the "shitshow?" I honestly don't know what you're referring to.
What exactly is the "shitshow?" I honestly don't know what you're referring to.
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