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re: Skip Bayless doesn't seem impressed with Simmons
Posted on 5/18/16 at 9:50 am to atltiger6487
Posted on 5/18/16 at 9:50 am to atltiger6487
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He won't be effective down low against the bigger, stronger, and faster bigs in the NBA, so his game will need to move outside. Although he clearly has the ball-handling skills and athleticism, he just can't shoot a lick.
So defenders will sag way off to prevent penetration and dare him to shoot. Unless he can develop a jumper (from scratch, which is a tough ask), he won't be effective in a half-court set.
He has an NBA body and strength already. He's more athletic than 99% of NBA big men and has a sof touch around the rim. He could average a double double without a play every being drawn up for him.
And his shot doesn't need to be built from scratch, his form isn't broken. He needs more reps and confidence.
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Posted on 5/18/16 at 1:47 pm to EarthwormJim
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He has an NBA body and strength already. He's more athletic than 99% of NBA big men and has a sof touch around the rim. He could average a double double without a play every being drawn up for him.
And his shot doesn't need to be built from scratch, his form isn't broken. He needs more reps and confidence.
He doesn't have a repertoire of post moves. He scored virtually all his points at the rim simply by being quicker than college players. He won't find it as easy in the NBA. He'll actually need moves, and a jumper to draw defenders outside, then he can blow past them. Without a jumper, no defender is coming outside of 8 feet to guard him.
More reps for his jumper?!?! What has he been working on the last 5 years??? Hell, I only played through high school, but shot thousands upon thousands of jumpers from different distances, angles, stationary, off-the-dribble, etc. Ben has a pro player for a father and has been tabbed as a can't miss prospect for years.
How many more reps will it take?!?!?
Posted on 5/18/16 at 1:53 pm to EarthwormJim
You really think he is more athletic than 99% of nba big men ???? :lmao:. He will get pounded on the inside against the nba next year. He needs an outside game BIGTIME.
Posted on 5/18/16 at 2:03 pm to ell_13
Skip is the biggest joke in sports media history. If he dislikes Ben that's a blessing. He's going to be a damn good player nomatter who drafts him.
Posted on 5/18/16 at 2:04 pm to atltiger6487
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More reps for his jumper?!?! What has he been working on the last 5 years??? Hell, I only played through high school, but shot thousands upon thousands of jumpers from different distances, angles, stationary, off-the-dribble, etc. Ben has a pro player for a father and has been tabbed as a can't miss prospect for years.
So you expect all NBA players to be finished products as soon as the hit the league just because you played in high school?
Plenty of players who took years to develop their shot at the next level. Just a short list of current players who drastically improved their outside shooting as their careers progressed ...
Kawhi Leonard
Paul Millsap
Al-Farouq Aminu
DeMarre Carroll
Trevor Ariza
Chris Bosh
etc.
There is a ton of evidence suggesting that shooting is a skill that can be improved with repetition. Why wouldn't additional reps continue to help?
This post was edited on 5/18/16 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 5/18/16 at 2:09 pm to dukke v
I don't think he's a big man. I see him as a 3 in the grant hill mold. Hill didn't have a good j when he came into the league( I know better than bens) but he developed into a good shooter as time went on. Even without the jumper he could avg 15-8-8 as a three right away.
Posted on 5/18/16 at 2:59 pm to LMfan
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There is a ton of evidence suggesting that shooting is a skill that can be improved with repetition. Why wouldn't additional reps continue to help?
No question about it; however, we are talking about the first pick in the draft.
What should that entail?
I'd think someone who could provide an immediate impact to the worst team in the league. How much would an assist man help immediately? How much would a perimeter player with no outside shot help immediately?
That's the question here. Can a bad team draft on potential, salt the player away, and hope he comes around in four or five years?
Posted on 5/18/16 at 3:05 pm to LMfan
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There is a ton of evidence suggesting that shooting is a skill that can be improved with repetition. Why wouldn't additional reps continue to help?
of course more reps can help.
I'm simply saying that most guys have at least a serviceable jumper/perimeter game when they enter the league, and then they improve it over the years.
Simmons has effectively zero perimeter game, so he'll be developing his jumper from square one. That's a problem.
Posted on 5/18/16 at 3:38 pm to atltiger6487
It is a problem for him. The suckers are a dumpster fire and the lakers are a bunch of the same kind of player. I really don't care where he goes cause he is not at lsu anymore. But IMO his perfect fit would be Boston. He could run the floor with a solid point guard and flourish.
Posted on 5/18/16 at 9:18 pm to LSUZombie
He is right for once.....simmons will be a bust
Posted on 5/18/16 at 10:39 pm to 75helpmacpack
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He is right for once.....simmons will be a bust
I got that vibe also. Just don't see a lot of teams looking for a soft 6'10" 'point forward' that can't shoot the ball, in the NBA. He can make some good passes at times, but that is more the role of your 'point guard.'
He needs to overall his game into that of a true power forward. Bulk up with the weights, grab rebounds, develop a large repotoire of inside moves and shots, and get meaner. Also continue to work on developing some sort of jump shot as well. Toughen up on defense as well.
He has the potiential to one day be a solid, even a starter, on a NBA team. Just has a long long way to go to get there. Best would be served by getting some time in in Europe or in the D league.
Posted on 5/18/16 at 10:42 pm to dukke v
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You really think he is more athletic than 99% of nba big men ????
there are maybe 2-3 guys in the NBA that are his size that can handle the ball and move like he can.
you are so fricking dumb its funny
Posted on 5/18/16 at 10:53 pm to Patrick_Bateman
Agree, he isn't wrong, if they give him a lane to the basket he's money, if they make him pull up and shoot a jumper, he's 35/65. But he does have a great upside with more work. Anyone but the lakers.
Posted on 5/19/16 at 12:34 am to dj30
Celtics should trade the 2 1st rounders this year for the number one pick
Posted on 5/19/16 at 1:08 am to Miganey
Simmons will be a good NBA player, but I doubt he will have much of an impact initially.
Posted on 5/19/16 at 1:21 am to LSUZombie
I wasn't impressed with him either
Posted on 5/19/16 at 7:54 am to EarthwormJim
quote:Not true. His biggest problem with shooting is he can't make up his mind whether he is right handed or left handed. Shoots every drive with his right hand but free throws and jumper with left. I think he needs to learn to shoot everything right handed. If he was a natural leftie why does he not shoot drives with left hand?
And his shot doesn't need to be built from scratch, his form isn't broken. He needs more reps and confidence.
Posted on 5/19/16 at 7:59 am to Miganey
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Celtics should trade the 2 1st rounders this year for the number one pick
Because the Sixers would tank for five years for the top pick just to punt it away and further alienate their fans. Right.
Posted on 5/19/16 at 9:16 am to Tom Bronco
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If he was a natural leftie why does he not shoot drives with left hand?
This is truly one of the most bizarre aspects of his game. In the beginning, I saw him finish at the rim right-handed and thought great, he's ambidextrous.
But then I noticed that he finishes almost ALWAYS right handed, even when driving left, and even when he jumps off his right foot, which you do when shooting a layup left-handed.
It means he's often off-balance for layups, which is just plain weird. Especially when he's had years to work on that - and that's an elementary aspect of the game. Really strange.
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