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Should Les Get Over His '08 Ghosts?
Posted on 9/14/14 at 11:24 pm
Posted on 9/14/14 at 11:24 pm
Hanagriff mentioned this at the end of show last night. It basically goes something like this: following the '08 season (JL's int fest), Les decided he would never, ever live through that again. He knows he can win 80% of the games via D, ST's, and a vanilla O. Consequently, our O has been exceedingly conservative ever since. I agree with Hanagriff's explanation of what's transpired.
My thoughts:
a) Les was right to adjust course after '08.
b) We can win 80% of our games with this approach. But rarely, will we win more than 80%.
c) 80% won't win us many championships now (and after the Arnsparger years it's all about playing for championships).
d) For that reason, I think Les needs to get over it.
My thoughts:
a) Les was right to adjust course after '08.
b) We can win 80% of our games with this approach. But rarely, will we win more than 80%.
c) 80% won't win us many championships now (and after the Arnsparger years it's all about playing for championships).
d) For that reason, I think Les needs to get over it.
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Posted on 9/14/14 at 11:25 pm to AlwysATgr
Get over what?
Really asking. I have no idea what you're talking about.
This post was edited on 9/14/14 at 11:34 pm
Posted on 9/14/14 at 11:25 pm to AlwysATgr
Let Les fricking coach, sheesh
Posted on 9/14/14 at 11:29 pm to AlwysATgr
2013 says hello
This post was edited on 9/14/14 at 11:30 pm
Posted on 9/14/14 at 11:31 pm to AlwysATgr
I wish someone had been more conservative when we were throwing all the interceptions in Oxford last year.
Posted on 9/14/14 at 11:32 pm to AlwysATgr
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80% won't win us many championships now (and after the Arnsparger years it's all about playing for championships). d) For that reason, I think Les needs to get over it.
this statement confuses me. Arnsparger was a damn good coach,but sucked in bowl games. when the season was done, so was he.
Posted on 9/14/14 at 11:34 pm to LSU GrandDad
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this statement confuses me. Arnsparger was a damn good coach,but sucked in bowl games. when the season was done, so was he.
This is what I'm confused with as well.
Posted on 9/14/14 at 11:36 pm to LSU GrandDad
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this statement confuses me. Arnsparger was a damn good coach,but sucked in bowl games. when the season was done, so was he.
Correct, Bill never won a bowl game. Before him, "success" was beating our rivals (Tulane, OM) and getting a good bowl game. What Arnsparger did was emphasize winning championships. That was new in the mid-80's. We won the SEC in '86 (for the first time since '70). And although he had left, we won another in '88.
That part of the past aside, do you think we can win championships if we only win 80% of our games?
Posted on 9/14/14 at 11:44 pm to AlwysATgr
Educate yourself. LSU passed the football more than any other team in the country in 2013.
Posted on 9/14/14 at 11:45 pm to AlwysATgr
e=mc squared 
Posted on 9/14/14 at 11:52 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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LSU passed the football more than any other team in the country in 2013.
We were #108 in attempts and #41 in yds last year.
CFB Stats
This post was edited on 9/14/14 at 11:56 pm
Posted on 9/14/14 at 11:58 pm to AlwysATgr
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We were #108 in attempts and #41 in yds last year.
I'm being respectful when I say this, not trying to be a jerk but I'll take two 1000+ yard WRs, a 1000+ yard RB and a 3000+ yard QB every year if that's what you think "being conservative" is.
We also led the country in 3rd down conversions last season.
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Starting quarterback for the only team in SEC history with a 3,000-yard passer, two 1,000-yard receivers and a 1,000-yard rusher in the same season … Directed an LSU offense that set school records for rushing TDs (37) and total yards per game (453.3) … LSU offense also ranked in Top 5 in school single-season history in total yards (No. 2 with 5,893), rushing/passing TDs (No. 2 with 60), passing yards (No. 3 with 3,263), passing yards per game (No. 4 with 251.0), scoring (No. 4 with 465) and points per game (No. 2 with 35.8) … Connected on 192-of-296 passes for 3,082 yards and 22 touchdowns and just eight interceptions … Ranked second in the SEC in pass efficiency behind Johnny Manziel (172.9) with a 171.4 rating … Just the third player in school history to pass for 3,000-yards or more in a season joining Rohan Davey (3,347 in 2001) and JaMarcus Russell (3,129 in 2006) … Had three 300-yard passing games in 2013, the second-highest single-season total in LSU history trailing Rohan Davey (7 in 2001) … Ranked No. 3 in school history with a 64.8 completion percentage in 2013 and No. 8 in completions (192) … The 22 TD passes ties for No. 3 in a season at LSU
Mett's LSU Bio
This post was edited on 9/15/14 at 12:03 am
Posted on 9/15/14 at 12:00 am to AlwysATgr
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. Consequently, our O has been exceedingly conservative ever since
I wouldn't say last years offense was conservative. In fact, it was very productive.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 12:04 am to la_birdman
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Get over what?
Really asking. I have no idea what you're talking about.
Hanagriff's assertion is that Les takes a (some would say ultra-) conservative approach to O.
The fact that some throw out last year as a counter argument kind of makes the case. Is it only when we have a talented 5th yr QB that our O will show proficiency? Five seasons have come and gone since '08 of which only one can we say our O was good.
This post was edited on 9/15/14 at 9:25 am
Posted on 9/15/14 at 12:10 am to AlwysATgr
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Hanagriff's assertion is that Les takes a (some would say ultra-) conservative approach to O.
I wouldn't say "ultra" but it is conservative, in certain games, no argument there. Like last night's.
But it's not conservative in every game.
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Is it only when we have a talented 5th yr QB that our O will show proficiency?
Mett was a starter for last year and 2012. The transformation in playing he made from 2012 to 2013 was incredible. He really looked like a completely different player, in a good way.
If you have a less than stellar OC, you'll more than likely get less than stellar results, which is what you had in 2008.
The necessary changes were made and I'm glad they were made. Did I get annoyed sometimes at how we looked back in 2008? Sure.
Do I get annoyed now with how we look? Sometimes but I feel a whole lot better knowing there's a proven OC with LSU now.
This post was edited on 9/15/14 at 12:13 am
Posted on 9/15/14 at 12:33 am to AlwysATgr
I think you may have stayed up too late.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 12:58 am to la_birdman
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2008
That offense put up more points than the two that followed it. The problem in 2008 was interceptions and bad defense. Interceptions in 2008 led to poor defensive results that year, as well as the slowed down offense in 2009 and 2010.
Take away all the picks, especially the pick 6s, and 2008's offense was "okay." It scored more points than the 2005 and 2012 teams as well.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 1:02 am to AlwysATgr
Crappy crappy thread
Posted on 9/15/14 at 1:20 am to Ignignot
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Crappy crappy thread
Double crappy? Harsh.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 6:28 am to AlwysATgr
Three things happen when the play is a pass, one is good and two are bad.
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