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re: Shep isn't just a finesse guy
Posted on 5/1/10 at 3:13 pm to chilge1
Posted on 5/1/10 at 3:13 pm to chilge1
Chilge, I think if LSU had finished in the 30s or 40s in total offense, a lot more of us would be ready to say "hey, he was just a freshman, that's why he didn't get more touches".
But we finished in the 110's in total offense, and even looked inept against teams we should have run off the field due to huge talent differentials.
I'm afraid I'm not ready to assume the coaching staff did a good job last year.
But we finished in the 110's in total offense, and even looked inept against teams we should have run off the field due to huge talent differentials.
I'm afraid I'm not ready to assume the coaching staff did a good job last year.
Posted on 5/1/10 at 3:16 pm to NorfolkVATiger
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I'm afraid I'm not ready to assume the coaching staff did a good job last year.
I'LL never say they did a good job last year. But whether the failures of the offensive coaches were internal or environmental is what I feel needs to be determined.
My question is thus. After many productive years, WHAT THE frick HAPPENED?
Posted on 5/1/10 at 3:18 pm to chilge1
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I know the basics, but that comes from here.
as in... the tiger rant?
wait wait wait... you're serious?
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Posted on 5/1/10 at 3:19 pm to chilge1
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After many productive years, WHAT THE frick HAPPENED?
Decreasing development of players
and a playbook that is figured out and/or not designed well
the short sided option? the direct snap to shep up the middle.. the big back in the I-form... predictable playcalling/bad playcalling
Posted on 5/1/10 at 3:20 pm to TheDoc
It's sad, I know. But I barely have time to watch the games, let alone study the coaching history of the team's staff.
Posted on 5/1/10 at 3:23 pm to TheDoc
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Decreasing development of players
As I don't know what the development of players entails, I can't speculate on this.
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and a playbook that is figured out and/or not designed well
Another problem I have. If he was able to develop all these plays that gave defenses fits when introduced, why has he continued to rely on them when they fail rather than disguise them or develop others?
Posted on 5/1/10 at 3:27 pm to NorfolkVATiger
Why total offense? What about scoring offense? We need to be scoring 30+ points/game
Posted on 5/1/10 at 7:13 pm to chilge1
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My question is thus. After many productive years, WHAT THE frick HAPPENED?
Crowton arrived in 2007. He had one really, really good year.
2008 was the interception melt-down. And a young QB that came to the sideline, put on the headset for 30 seconds, then sat by himself. With no coach talking to him, no players talking to him. J. Lee is a polarizing subject around here but I think somebody - the coordinator, or a position coach, or some seniors - needs to be talking to a QB that's struggling. J. Lee actually kept battling until the Bama game, after which, he sort of went in the tank. I think there's other coordinators that could have kept him afloat longer than Crowton did. Look at what kind of (mental) shape Dennis Dixon was by the end of 2006, and what he was in 2007 with a new coordinator at Oregon.
2009 we had no offense. Certainly some of it was the offensive line attrition (2006 recruiting class in particular) kicking in.
So GC had one good year. That's my biggest fear about the Tigers going forward. Miles, or Billy Gonzalez, or somebody, needs to help get GC moving in the right direction. He's a brilliant guy, draws up really cool plays, but his game calls have a history and his nurturing of young QBs have a history.
Miles needs to break that trend. I'm actually optimistic we can run the ball this year. Not so sure about GC and our QBs though.
This post was edited on 5/1/10 at 7:17 pm
Posted on 5/1/10 at 7:16 pm to Rocket
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Why total offense? What about scoring offense? We need to be scoring 30+ points/game
Scoring offense is important too (the most important, of course), and I think we were something like 70th in that category last year. But it's deceptive because defensive and special teams scores count in that total, and good defenses that give the offense good field position make your numbers look better than they really are. Virginia Tech is a classic example of that - they are almost always much better in scoring offense than total offense, because they play good D and good ST. But their offense sucks most of the time.
This post was edited on 5/1/10 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 5/1/10 at 8:47 pm to NorfolkVATiger
I'm still not convinced GC is the problem. I think our issues last year were more about personnel than coaching.
Posted on 5/1/10 at 10:05 pm to Ray Ray Rodman
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He needs to gain some weight and muscle
I would be shocked if he is not on a major weight/muscle build regimen throughout the entire summer.
Posted on 5/2/10 at 4:11 am to Rocket
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I'm still not convinced GC is the problem. I think our issues last year were more about personnel than coaching.
I hope you're right. I do think the offensive line problems were about personnel, not coaching - contrary to many here.
Posted on 5/2/10 at 9:49 am to Rocket
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Why total offense?
Quite simply, because it was lower and more easily feeds the anti-Miles agenda. Make no mistake, if scoring offense had been ranked lower, it would be the stat that everybody is screaming from the rooftops.
I have never known what LSU's total offensive ranking was in the 25 years I have been watching them. Yet somehow this year, it has become the ONLY standard by which a football team's success is measured. LSU's offense sucked last year, no doubt. I could see that with my own 2 eyes. I don't need 119!!!!!!!!!!! typed every other fricking post to remind me of it.
Posted on 5/2/10 at 10:38 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Shep was NOT going to redshirt regardless, and was promised a shot at the QB position at which he practiced! You really wonder why he wasn't utilized in every freaking play. See where he practiced.
Wasted a whole season of eligibility along the way
Is it really that hard to understand?
Posted on 5/2/10 at 12:03 pm to That LSU Guy
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why he wasn't utilized in every freaking play
That's one of the Rantards' favorite jabs at Miles. It was fairly obvious RS didn't have a good grasp of the plays, lining up was usually quite an adventure for him.
He'll come around this year. I'd really like to see him at QB. If he can complete just a couple passes a game, there are gonna be some confused defenses in SEC.
Posted on 5/3/10 at 8:54 am to noonan
My main frustration is the constant negativity on this board. Like I said, you started this thread as a positive about Shep, and these dumb fricks turn it into a negative thread. I definitely come here less and less because of them."
I don't understand how agreeing with him and saying Shep is more than finesse, that it is a negative board. I believe from what I know and have seen, that if Shep wasa involved in 20 possessions a game, it would result in far far better results than any other offensive weapon we had.
And when I say 20, I mean punt returns, kickoffs, rushing, receiving, wildcat plays, etc.
He is one of the more special people to come here in a loong time. If we were great on offense, I would be happy with a slow progression in getting his touches. But when the people in front of him aren't producing and LSU is 109th in offense, then it is a horrible decision to lose a year of eligability with him, finish last in offense, and not get him touches in front of those who aren't producing!
If you all want to call it bashing, nega-whatever, hater....go for it, the truth is in the results and he was not used in a horrible offensive team.
I don't understand how agreeing with him and saying Shep is more than finesse, that it is a negative board. I believe from what I know and have seen, that if Shep wasa involved in 20 possessions a game, it would result in far far better results than any other offensive weapon we had.
And when I say 20, I mean punt returns, kickoffs, rushing, receiving, wildcat plays, etc.
He is one of the more special people to come here in a loong time. If we were great on offense, I would be happy with a slow progression in getting his touches. But when the people in front of him aren't producing and LSU is 109th in offense, then it is a horrible decision to lose a year of eligability with him, finish last in offense, and not get him touches in front of those who aren't producing!
If you all want to call it bashing, nega-whatever, hater....go for it, the truth is in the results and he was not used in a horrible offensive team.
This post was edited on 5/3/10 at 8:55 am
Posted on 5/3/10 at 8:56 am to Dalosaqy
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He needs to gain some weight and muscle
He didn't need to gain those things when he toucched the ball! Over 6 yds per......seems his weight and muscle were fine.
Posted on 5/3/10 at 9:12 am to the LSUSaint
Guy;s don't get too excited about RS, as he will be on the bench 60 percent of the time. Les wasted Rs last yr. He should have been red shirted. Poor coaching.
Posted on 5/3/10 at 10:28 am to tygerboy17
I believe LES is the kind of guy that sticks to his decisions because in theory they should work,and probably would; but sometimes, in real time, things shift,change,and become debased.
He "could" be a guy who fills his tank up when its half filled religiously, But what if, He had to take a detour leaving the Superdome or the Quarter and it's half full by time he get's to Claiborne and Washington,NOLA, he might stop.
Or if he had a beautiful, loyal wife and their wasn't another available woman in 100 miles and he had never seen her. His hot wife, for reasons of mood and emotions, sometimes, didn't cook on time and the neighbors said they heard her cursing ,and that she was accused of walking out the store with a unpaid item- in the load of crap she had to carry, so the people are thinking she's not good enough for our community. He could divorce her because he's doing the "right thing".
He "could" be a guy who fills his tank up when its half filled religiously, But what if, He had to take a detour leaving the Superdome or the Quarter and it's half full by time he get's to Claiborne and Washington,NOLA, he might stop.
Or if he had a beautiful, loyal wife and their wasn't another available woman in 100 miles and he had never seen her. His hot wife, for reasons of mood and emotions, sometimes, didn't cook on time and the neighbors said they heard her cursing ,and that she was accused of walking out the store with a unpaid item- in the load of crap she had to carry, so the people are thinking she's not good enough for our community. He could divorce her because he's doing the "right thing".
Posted on 5/3/10 at 12:46 pm to the LSUSaint
This is far from the reason i dont like miles. It is plain and simple. Russel doesnt play qb last year, he isnt even on the team. Take ur pick.
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