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re: Shep isn't just a finesse guy
Posted on 5/1/10 at 1:59 pm to chilge1
Posted on 5/1/10 at 1:59 pm to chilge1
quote:cushion blows? GTFO he's a FB player. The rant gets dumber by the day
I'm arguing that because he doesn't know how to cushion blows, hits become more severe. I don't think it's a stretch to induce from there that harder hits are more likely to cause fumbles.
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Posted on 5/1/10 at 2:01 pm to Books
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GTFO he's a FB player
You're right. I'm sorry. He should just ramble down the field with no regard to his personal safety or ball security. My mistake.
Posted on 5/1/10 at 2:03 pm to chilge1
You're dumb 
Posted on 5/1/10 at 2:04 pm to chilge1
quote:He had one fumble on the year, ball security was not an issue. He was never injured. this is like arguing w/ a 7 year old.
You're right. I'm sorry. He should just ramble down the field with no regard to his personal safety or ball security. My mistake.
Posted on 5/1/10 at 2:07 pm to Books
He was prob one of the ones that was arguing that shep or pp shouldn't be used in the special teams.
Posted on 5/1/10 at 2:08 pm to Books
I've got three reasons why Shep wasn't used as much as possible:
Posted on 5/1/10 at 2:11 pm to TheDoc
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shouldn't be used
NEVER my argument. I'm just speculating as to why he wasn't. If any of you have insight to the matter, I would suggest offering your own theories rather than simply destroying mine and insulting me in the process.
What other reason COULD there have been?
Posted on 5/1/10 at 2:13 pm to chilge1
quote:inept coaching, not very difficult concept to grasp when you look at the way the offense performed the entire year
What other reason COULD there have been?
Posted on 5/1/10 at 2:18 pm to Books
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is that Shepard didn't understand his role in the offense, which created confusion, and therefore the only plays we ran with him were simple
A post of mine from earlier. I just can't convince myself that this is the only reason... as with Keiland, there HAS to be some reason we can't see that he hadn't seen the field last year. Otherwise, there's no reason to believe that the same "inept" coaching staff would be making every effort to get him the ball THIS year.
I feel that RS's development has to play a role in this as well. Given the limited base that we have to work with from game film, his body control as he's getting hit is the only flaw I can find from last year.
Posted on 5/1/10 at 2:26 pm to chilge1
I do recall issues with Shep lining up in the wrong spot, leading to LSU having to burn timeouts.
To me that was a coaching issue - they were putting too much on his plate with QB/RB/WR, all at once.
How he didn't play vs UF or PSU is beyond me. You need to get a guy like that on the field, even if it's in a simplified set of plays, more than we did last year.
I'm hoping the move to WR and the addition of Billy Gonzalez lets us see a lot more out of Shep this year. A whole lot more.
To me that was a coaching issue - they were putting too much on his plate with QB/RB/WR, all at once.
How he didn't play vs UF or PSU is beyond me. You need to get a guy like that on the field, even if it's in a simplified set of plays, more than we did last year.
I'm hoping the move to WR and the addition of Billy Gonzalez lets us see a lot more out of Shep this year. A whole lot more.
Posted on 5/1/10 at 2:27 pm to chilge1
quote:Miles said every week he wanted to play RS more. Almost every week at his PC he lamented the fact that they didn't get him more carries.
here HAS to be some reason we can't see that he hadn't seen the field last year.
quote:First of all, all we've seen is the Spring game, so that remains to be seen. Second, Billy Gonzalez has shown he has an idea of how to utilize guys like RS.
Otherwise, there's no reason to believe that the same "inept" coaching staff would be making every effort to get him the ball THIS year.
quote:he took one big shot, two if you count the Vandy hit. To suggest this as a reason for his lack of PT is asinine.
his body control as he's getting hit is the only flaw I can find from last year.
Posted on 5/1/10 at 2:28 pm to Books
so this is what the argument against shep is now?
wow
wow
Posted on 5/1/10 at 2:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
some ppl are dead set against admitting that LM could have screwed up, their attempts to explain it away are as bad as I've ever seen on here.
Posted on 5/1/10 at 2:41 pm to Books
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Miles said every week he wanted to play RS more. Almost every week at his PC he lamented the fact that they didn't get him more carries.
So either Miles was deliberately lying and in actuality, didn't want him involved at all, or they wanted to play him, but for reasons unspecified, they didn't believe that he could perform any better than what we currently had on the field.
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he took one big shot, two if you count the Vandy hit. To suggest this as a reason for his lack of PT is asinine.
If you're eliminating that as an option, then it says to me that you believe there was nothing done on the field on behalf of RS to warrant reduced PT. That leaves as the only option the idea that between practices, film, etc. he had no clue what the coaches expected him to do. Whether this reflected his own inability to grasp his responsibilities or the failure of the coaches to communicate this cannot be determined, though many people would reach a conclusion anyway.
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Second, Billy Gonzalez has shown he has an idea of how to utilize guys like RS.
Please God. I can't say that it makes complete sense that bringing him in was the missing piece to the Shepard enigma (if this is the case, it is also something that cannot be determined by those outside the program), it really does show both that Crowton has no idea how to accommodate his offense to tailor our strengths, and it brings much greater consideration to the idea that Russell Shepard will produce in a matter that Percy Harvin did.
Posted on 5/1/10 at 2:50 pm to chilge1
quote:like I said, inept coaching
So either Miles was deliberately lying and in actuality, didn't want him involved at all, or they wanted to play him, but for reasons unspecified, they didn't believe that he could perform any better than what we currently had on the field.
quote:sure it can, but keep reaching. He was there for 8 months, if he wasn't prepared, it falls on coaching. He's a bright kid that graduated HS in 3.5 yrs. Running the wildcat (or just RB) is not a difficult deal. Just admit that there's a chance that these same coaches that brought you the 112 ranked offense last year could have screwed up utilizing one of their players. It's easier than spinning all this bullshite no one's buying.
That leaves as the only option the idea that between practices, film, etc. he had no clue what the coaches expected him to do. Whether this reflected his own inability to grasp his responsibilities or the failure of the coaches to communicate this cannot be determined, though many people would reach a conclusion anyway.
This post was edited on 5/1/10 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 5/1/10 at 2:59 pm to Books
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Just admit that there's a chance that these same coaches that brought you the 112 ranked offense last year could have screwed up utilizing one of their players
It obviously appears to be ineptitude in Crowton, Porter, McCarthy, and Stud en route to what we did last year. What I can't admit, is that after setting every record in the books in 2006 and 2007, that these four suddenly became morons who don't know how to design plays, call plays, or utilize players.
Unless you buy into the idea that it was all Saban's doing, which some would but I don't, there is no logical explanation for what we saw last year. I guess in short, I'm trying to make sense of a situation that can't be made sense of.
Posted on 5/1/10 at 3:02 pm to chilge1
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I guess in short, I'm trying to make sense of a situation that can't be made sense of.
inept coaching
Posted on 5/1/10 at 3:02 pm to chilge1
quote:you need to read up on Crowton's history
What I can't admit, is that after setting every record in the books in 2006 and 2007, that these four suddenly became morons who don't know how to design plays, call plays, or utilize players.
Posted on 5/1/10 at 3:03 pm to TheDoc
So Doc, are you in the boat that they were inept in 2006 and 2007 or that they suddenly forgot everything about football?
Posted on 5/1/10 at 3:06 pm to Books
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you need to read up on Crowton's history
It's more worth my while to read up my psychology's history. I wish I had the time of day to read up on football.
I know the basics, but that comes from here. Essentially, he was semi-productive at Oregon, then he left and they became hugely productive. He works well with mature quarterbacks but cannot develop them to save his life.
Unless I'm missing something, his inability to develop quarterbacks should not have affected the running game or playcalling the way it has. I haven't seen this ever as a problem here before as the running game has always been dominant and the playcalling has been unpreditable. I cannot say to what extent this was a problem at Oregon and BYU.
Clarify please.
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