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re: Sallee comments on LSU Defensive emphasis and Craig
Posted on 7/27/16 at 11:57 am to c on z
Posted on 7/27/16 at 11:57 am to c on z
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with the veterans on offense the production was definitely there.
By veterans do you mean a second year starting QB, a 3rd year out of high school runningback going into his second year as the main guy, 2 talented wide outs going into their second year as the 2 main guys? Those are three things this offense has in common with the 2013 offense. Just saying.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 12:08 pm to bulldogger
Somethings can't be measured with stats. Like having the best player in the country and the chip on their shoulder I expect them to play with this season.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 12:32 pm to bulldogger
What Sallee doesn't get is that we haven't had a passing pro-style QB and offense since 2013.
His 'out-of-touch' statement is retarded and monumentally uninformed...
Put Mett under center in 2014 and 2015, and we don't have a one-dimensional offense.
We had TWO 1,000 yard WRs in 2013. And a lot of that was because we had a QB who could like, GET THEM THE BALLLLLLL..
Whether Miles'offensive philosophy in 2016 changes depends on Harris' maturity and performance in the short to intermediate ball control passing game. We certainly have the skill receivers.
I further think that Miles and Cameron have opened up the playbook at least a little with a pro style passer now as the backup.
And he criticizes Craig, but has no comment on who we have now as his boss, one of the best DCs in the nation. He should dominate with the talent we have, especially if we create a lot of long fields for offenses, and we have a Wing-caliber punter...hopefully..m
His 'out-of-touch' statement is retarded and monumentally uninformed...
Put Mett under center in 2014 and 2015, and we don't have a one-dimensional offense.
We had TWO 1,000 yard WRs in 2013. And a lot of that was because we had a QB who could like, GET THEM THE BALLLLLLL..
Whether Miles'offensive philosophy in 2016 changes depends on Harris' maturity and performance in the short to intermediate ball control passing game. We certainly have the skill receivers.
I further think that Miles and Cameron have opened up the playbook at least a little with a pro style passer now as the backup.
And he criticizes Craig, but has no comment on who we have now as his boss, one of the best DCs in the nation. He should dominate with the talent we have, especially if we create a lot of long fields for offenses, and we have a Wing-caliber punter...hopefully..m
Posted on 7/27/16 at 12:44 pm to Guava Jelly
Guava Jelly
Good Stuff. Thanks.
Good Stuff. Thanks.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 1:16 pm to bamaqna
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Whats the point of having all those all world receivers and just totally focus on running the ball thats how you totally drive off receivers from wanting to come to your school.
Yet we continue to sign top receivers every year.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 1:37 pm to BayouBengals18
Yea but again my point is whats the point if you don't emphasize getting them the ball enough. You can sign them all day long but if they mainly get untilized for blocking then how is that gonna help your offense in the end.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 2:02 pm to bulldogger
Do I care what this gentlemen thinks ?
No. :-D
Posted on 7/27/16 at 2:28 pm to bulldogger
Sallee is 100% correct. Leslie is a dinosaur and it's time for him to become extinct.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 2:29 pm to trooploop
Look I'm as big a LSU fan as can be, but to type that is just ridiculous and you can come back with all the stats you want there only 3 games worth of stats that matter. LSUs' offense was not better than the gumps last year.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 3:03 pm to TigerFanNKaty
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LSUs' offense was not better than the gumps last year.
This. I don't know how people don't understand the law of averages. You can post YPG and PPG and all of the average statistics all you want. An efficient and proficient offense that moves the ball in critical situations is all that matters. An average is just that...an average of all your games. You can score a shitload of points against shitty team and throw the ball all over the field but when it matters you don't do shite. Guess what, that still makes your average look good. Does that mean you had a good offense?? No
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Posted on 7/27/16 at 3:15 pm to bulldogger
I really don't disagree with most of what Sallee says. Don't know too much about the inner workings of the Craig situation at Auburn so I'll leave no judgement to that, but everything else is pretty spot on.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 3:21 pm to bulldogger
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Returning starting quarterbacks don't matter all that much in the grand scheme of things. Six of the last seven national titles were won by first-year starters and 10 of the last 14 starters in the national title game were first-year starters.
I think the quarterback's classification is more important than being a returning starter. So playing off Sallee's stats...
The last 7 national championships have featured 10 upperclassmen at QB with 5 winning the 7 games.
Expanding to the last 14 years, 23 out of 28 have been upperclassmen with 12 winning the championship game. I think game experience is less important than maturity as well as physical stature (especially at that age when kids are still developing).
Posted on 7/27/16 at 3:29 pm to SoFresh
quote:+ practice reps
I think game experience is less important than maturity as well as physical stature (especially at that age when kids are still developing).
Posted on 7/27/16 at 3:33 pm to therick711
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The question isn't whether we have enough of defense. It is whether Aranda will produce better outcomes than Steele did.
I worry about the normal adjustment period that comes with leaning a new scheme. I do agree that LSU cannot win shootouts.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 3:34 pm to bulldogger
I tell y'all every single time you guys bring up Sallee, that the man has a huge agenda vs Miles, and is biased for pass offense. He overrates TAMU every single year but now that Ole Miss has Chad Kelly, he's found a new West love affair. I'll still play along with his "logical" reasons.
What is this nonsense? He doesn't know anything about LSU defense if he doesn't think it will be dramatically improved. The pass defense was horrible last year. In the SEC, we finished 6th in YPA given up, 8th in cmp%, and 12th YPG given up. That's a drastic fall off from 2014 when we finished 1st in YPA given up, 1st in cmp%, and 1st in YPG given up. I mean we gave up yardage and multiple TDs to some truly awful, or inexperienced, or inexperienced AND awful QBs last year.
Every good RB ran all over us, and Chad Kelly had a field day running and passing.
LSU has tons of room to improve, and will improve drastically.
Dumbf**k. Our standards for elite defense should always remain that way, you think Bama, FSU, Ohio State, etc, want sub standard defense? How the hell does he think Alabama win the games they win?
Retarded. Not just enough defense wins. Florida, Bama, FSU, LSU, all won titles with top level defense over the last 10 years. Ohio State plays nobody all year long which is why they didn't need one in 2014, and Auburn had the cheat code Cam Newton and frigging Nick Fairley taking souls in 2010.
Or, their WRs are just bad and need to improve. The communication thing is on both QB and receiver, and there's not much a coach can do about that. Take Beckham and Landry. Both had butterfingers in their sophomore years, but came alive as juniors and surpassed even that in the pros. Nothing changed with the WR coach. Our WRs hands and routes have been pretty poor the last couple of years with 2 different coaches. I think it comes down to the WRs manning up and putting in the work to get better at the fundamentals.
Some WRs in the NFL are more or less just deep threats because they have problems with the routes and drops.
Sallee again shows his ignorance.
Oh, he means all those 3rd, 4th, and 5th year players with top level defenses? Or does he mean those #1 overall NFL draft, NFL rookie MVP, heisman winners (one was both)? Don't confuse 1st year starter with guy with 0-1 years in his system and/or mediocre talent. Don't confuse the facts that some didn't even have to do much but play game manager either.
Now I do agree that the philosophy needs to change, and the evaluation of QBs, but don't say it like these first year starters were on average teams. They either had heisman hopefuls in the backfield, top level defenses, were insanely NFL talented themselves, had 2 or more years in their system, previous experience at another school or JUCO level, or some combination of the five.
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1) I'm not sure it will be dramatically improved, because a dramatic improvement is virtually impossible at LSU. I know Kevin Steele isn't well liked, but 347.2 YPG and an 0.58 TO margin should be enough defense in this day and age of CFB.
What is this nonsense? He doesn't know anything about LSU defense if he doesn't think it will be dramatically improved. The pass defense was horrible last year. In the SEC, we finished 6th in YPA given up, 8th in cmp%, and 12th YPG given up. That's a drastic fall off from 2014 when we finished 1st in YPA given up, 1st in cmp%, and 1st in YPG given up. I mean we gave up yardage and multiple TDs to some truly awful, or inexperienced, or inexperienced AND awful QBs last year.
Every good RB ran all over us, and Chad Kelly had a field day running and passing.
LSU has tons of room to improve, and will improve drastically.
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I know the PPG and YPP isn't up to LSU standards, but that's exactly the problem—LSU standards haven't evolved with CFB the way that other schools have.
Dumbf**k. Our standards for elite defense should always remain that way, you think Bama, FSU, Ohio State, etc, want sub standard defense? How the hell does he think Alabama win the games they win?
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Just enough defense wins championships nowadays, and LSU's out-dated offensive philosophy mandates that LSU play elite D week-in and week-out. It's part of the reason (not all, but part) Chavis wanted out a few years ago, and is precisely what needs to change within the program
Retarded. Not just enough defense wins. Florida, Bama, FSU, LSU, all won titles with top level defense over the last 10 years. Ohio State plays nobody all year long which is why they didn't need one in 2014, and Auburn had the cheat code Cam Newton and frigging Nick Fairley taking souls in 2010.
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2) Because I don't think Craig is a good WR coach. He's a tremendous recruiter, which will undoubtedly pay dividends in February if the staff is still around. But if you watched Auburn play last year, that QB/WR communication was nonexistent and WR fundamentals cost them several games—including the 4OT loss to Arkansas
Or, their WRs are just bad and need to improve. The communication thing is on both QB and receiver, and there's not much a coach can do about that. Take Beckham and Landry. Both had butterfingers in their sophomore years, but came alive as juniors and surpassed even that in the pros. Nothing changed with the WR coach. Our WRs hands and routes have been pretty poor the last couple of years with 2 different coaches. I think it comes down to the WRs manning up and putting in the work to get better at the fundamentals.
Some WRs in the NFL are more or less just deep threats because they have problems with the routes and drops.
Sallee again shows his ignorance.
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Returning starting quarterbacks don't matter all that much in the grand scheme of things. Six of the last seven national titles were won by first-year starters and 10 of the last 14 starters in the national title game were first-year starters. It's more about the offensive philosophy at LSU, and I don't see that changing. LSU can't get into and win shootouts consistently, and you have to win games outside of your comfort zone in this day and age (see: Alabama beating Clemson playing Clemson football, beating A&M playing A&M football and beating Auburn playing Auburn football).
Oh, he means all those 3rd, 4th, and 5th year players with top level defenses? Or does he mean those #1 overall NFL draft, NFL rookie MVP, heisman winners (one was both)? Don't confuse 1st year starter with guy with 0-1 years in his system and/or mediocre talent. Don't confuse the facts that some didn't even have to do much but play game manager either.
Now I do agree that the philosophy needs to change, and the evaluation of QBs, but don't say it like these first year starters were on average teams. They either had heisman hopefuls in the backfield, top level defenses, were insanely NFL talented themselves, had 2 or more years in their system, previous experience at another school or JUCO level, or some combination of the five.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 4:04 pm to Howyouluhdat
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Auburn
Because Nick Fairley didn't have ANYTHING to do with it
60 tackles, 24.5 TFL, 11.5 sacks, 21!!! QB hurries, 2 FF, 1 int
Plus you're talking a freak athlete at QB that has almost achieved everything you can as a football player (4 star QB, JUCO MVP, JUCO championship QB, Unanimous All American, heisman winner, NCG winner, #1 overall NFL draft pick, NFL ROY, NFL rookie record breaker, NFL record breaker, NFL MVP, Super Bowl starting QB).
Posted on 7/27/16 at 4:11 pm to bulldogger
Yeah Sallee this qb/wr thing you talking about May have had something to do with JJ Auburns JJ that is. Man what an idiot this guy is.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 9:50 pm to Joe Mantegna
Yea his agenda is clicks that's how he makes his living not by being right !
Posted on 7/27/16 at 10:26 pm to TigerFanNKaty
Samething is going to happen this year we'll pass well enough against everybody and then somehow when we play BAMA the offense will get vanilla and predictable we might squeak out a win because we will be at home or we might lose in a close one and then we go down hill from there like every year
Posted on 7/27/16 at 10:33 pm to bulldogger
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Returning starting quarterbacks don't matter all that much
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