Running 5-year record is what matters most.

Agree but the pumpers are not going to like you saying the last 5 years are the measuring stick as the last 5 years show a clear decline curve - especially when you look at offensive statistics.

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I only judge on the last 24 hours. We're undefeated and you've made at least one shitty post.

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Agree but the pumpers are not going to like you saying the last 5 years are the measuring stick as the last 5 years show a clear decline curve - especially when you look at offensive statistics.

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And the negas will hate it because it boost the sec record, includes an sec championship and a bcs title appearance. So if you are going by the reults of the past 5 years, youd be an idiot to want a change at hc. And it would also show that LSU has improved this year on offense and its record.

I've seen opinions ranging from we are an elite program, to the Golden age of LSU football is done or we are back to 90s football.

The issue is I will see someone say we are no longer elite, but then say anyone can win 9 games a season here. How many teams that are not elite can say that any moron can win 75% of the games?

This is the problem with emotional reactions based on a few bad games. You cannot have a consistent opinion. The better questions would be

1) can LSU attract the best coaches?
2) can LSU attract the best talent?
3) Is LSU no longer an elite or top tier program?
4) Can any coach win 9-10 games a year?

Most people will answer these with no consistency.

C) 5 year record is most relevant, but history before that also needs to be considered in order to evaluate if the coach has the ability to improve upon the most recent cycle.

Most recent recruiting classes are a key piece as well to determine if the rising players have the potential to outperform the players they are replacing


All told, no one is happy with the recent trend, but despite a 5-3, 4-4, and 5-3 SEC record the past three years, the SEC Championship five years ago at least evens out that output for this past cycle.

Past performance previous to this 5 year cycle indicates this is not the ceiling for the program under the current coach, and the two most recent recruiting classes and incoming class indicate far more potential to improve rather than continue on current trend.


This was fun and enlightening. Thank you OP

Nothing is ever really that simple. You have to look at more than the W/L to judge the whole program. But in reality, what you're trying to do is ask a thinly veiled question about the current coach. I don't think that can be answered that simply either, I was quite certain there have been example where this falls on its face for long term coaches. Joe Paterno, Bobby Bowden and Bear Bryant come to mind.

I'll use Bear Bryant as an example. Here is a 5 year stretch. from 66-70.

After going 11-0 in 1966 and winning the SEC and the Sugar Bowl 3rd in AP and Coaches poll they were 28 -15 -2 over the next 4 with 3 Bowl losses and 1 tie. SEC finishes went 2,3,8,7.

Then from 1971-1975 he went 54-6 overall and 34-1 in SEC play and won the SEC every year. Also finished in the top five in each poll except for 72 when they were 7 in the AP 4 in the Coaches.

1971-1982 when he retired 124 - 12 and 72-7 with half those losses in his last 3 years.

LINK to where I got my data

I'm not saying Les Miles is that kind of transcendent coach, or even that he needs to be the LSU head coach for years to come. I'm just pointing out your 5 year theory doesn't necessarily hold water.

That was in relation to the reactions I have observed (mentioned in my opening sentence), not necessarily your five year data point review.

name a better five years in lsu history than the last five

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name a better five years in lsu history than the last five

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I agree with your sentiment, but in all fairness, 2000-2004 was definitely a better five year stretch imo.

2 SEC titles and an NC.