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re: Rewatch the game........

Posted on 9/6/10 at 11:53 am to
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 11:53 am to
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I was happy to escape with a win, and saw enough to think this may wind up being a very, very good team.


A very, very good team does not give up 412 yards passing to a mediocre QB with his best receiver and two best running backs not playing. There are positives about the game, but very, very good is not on our horizon until we find a defense that can hold last year's #108 offense to less than 430 yards and 24 points, and a secondary that can hold a bad QB to under 400 yards passing.
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 11:55 am to
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JJ is terrible!!! yes he completed 70% of his passes, but 14 completeions for only 100 yards (took out the one bomb for 51) is not going to cut it in the SEC.



Why would you take out a 50 yard touchdown pass when evaluating a QBs performance? Do you take out Yates' 97 and 75 yarder to evaluate our D?

You do realize that's it's tough to rack up a lot of yards on offense when you have over 300 yards of returns right? Please tell me you understand how that works.

As for the number of completions, we only threw the ball 7 times in the 2nd half because we were up by 3 TDs. JJ was 5/7 in the second half after going 10/14 in the 1st half.

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let's face it this team has about 5 really good individual players (R.Shepard, Peterson, Randle, K. Sheppard, Tolliver) who will make a few plays a game to keep this team in some games





Keep us in games??? We were up 3 TDs with 10 minutes to go. And I noticed you didn't mention Nevis, Montgomery, Jai, Matthieu, Barksdale, Dworcyzk, Lonergan, TBob, Hurst, Ridley, or JJ who played VERY WELL in the game too.

Those guys don't matter?

Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:04 pm to
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Any time you have the same RB fumble twice in one game, unless he's Darren McFadden or something, it's not good personnel use. There used to be a time when LSU running backs just flat did not fumble. If one did, he got a long time on the bench (more than 1 game) to figure out that it's not acceptable to fumble. Ridley should ride the bench until he figures that out.



That's another good point. I was talking mainly about the coaches working hard to get the ball to our playmakers, but the point about RBs is valid.

The main reason I was pleased with the RB carries was that I was terrified that Miles was going to try to turn #18 into this team's Hester. Clearly, that would be foolish, and I was just glad that Murphy does not look like he's going to be the focus of this backfield.

Ridley ran great, and after his 2nd fumble on the first drive on the 2nd half, Murphy took the next drive and was horrible.

So they went back to Ridley. Why Ford, Ware, or Blue wasn't called on is the biggest complaint I have. But Ridley really was running well, so maybe they just wanted to stay with the hot hand.

Up 30 though, with a back that's coughed it up twice, there is no reason not to play a young back.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:06 pm to
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Carolina was missing 9 starters....sugar coat it all you want


We were missing 4 or 5.
Posted by spinoza
Member since Jan 2008
5543 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:07 pm to


...Better to be lucky, than unlucky ?

This post was edited on 9/6/10 at 12:13 pm
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56517 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:07 pm to
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No one should be allowed to post anything, positive or negative, without rewatching the game.


This is a good rule.

I violated it and spewed a bunch of drunken garbage Saturday.

Generally, when you watch it clearly, knowing the results, you can focus on the actual performance...not the outcome.
Posted by TeaRay
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2007
39 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:09 pm to
Excellent Post!!

I felt much better about the direction of the team after watching the replay last night....

Things could be a LOT worse..... We could be posting thoughts about our team's loss to Jacksonville State!!

Sure wouldn't wanna be a rebel fan today!!


I'll take the win... let's move on... get better... and get ready for Vandy

Posted by epbart
new york city
Member since Mar 2005
2928 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:25 pm to
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But what amazes me is how someone could feel good about allowing a depleted team to rack up those kinds of offensive numbers


I have two issues with this.

1) Their offense was not depleted-- they have an experienced line and a 5th year senior at QB. So, that their offense was able to get a couple of good drives in the 4th qtr when they got momentum, while disappointing, isn't like letting a high school team do it.

2) Too much is being made of the missing players. The missing players did not turn them into a Division II school. If there is anything that can validate this, then it is Vegas. Vegas has a vested interest in setting the odds the way the do-- and they moved the line from somewhere around even to LSU by ten. Not LSU by 30 or 40 the way Florida was supposed to win over Miami (OH). The game did not end TOO differently than the line predicted. So, everyone should really stop acting like we had difficulty beating a bunch of total scrubs. Yes, the game would've been tougher had their starters been there, but it is absolutely impossible to know how it would have ended if that were the case-- LSU may have lost, or may have won by 20. Nobody will ever know.




Posted by XbengalTiger
212 miles from Tiger Stadium
Member since Oct 2003
5464 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:29 pm to
This is a good site for re-watching SEC games. I am not sure if they will put up the non-conference games but as the season goes on, most games will be on here.

SEC Digital Network
Posted by craignettles
Member since Jan 2005
3289 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:34 pm to
I still record on a VHs and watched the game again. I agree with the original posters points except for T-Bob and Hurst. They missed several opportunities to block linebackers who made the tackle for a loss or no gain. The one that was unfair was the hold. He pancaked him and stayed on top of him.
Posted by OTIS2
NoLA
Member since Jul 2008
50219 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:48 pm to
I agree with your post except I think Ridley was hit behind the line too many times. Pass blocking was much improved, but the consistency in run blocking wasn't quite there yet. FWIW, Ridley's running
style can make a line look good.
Posted by Martin Blank
Member since Sep 2005
397 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:52 pm to
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I can't disagree too much with the rest of your post, but this I do. Any time you have the same RB fumble twice in one game, unless he's Darren McFadden or something, it's not good personnel use. There used to be a time when LSU running backs just flat did not fumble.


I don't disagree. But let's keep in mind that Ridley's 2nd fumble was our last offensive play of the game. And I think we went to Murphy the series after the fumble Ridley had in the actual flow of the game. It's not a huge distinction, but it's an important note nonetheless, IMO.

I'd be curious to see if he'd have come back out if we'd had another offensive series after his 2nd fumble. And I don't know that I wouldn't pull him after the first fumble. But it's not like the coaching staff ignored his second fumble, gave Ridley a cookie, and let him go back out there.
Posted by Jaketigger
Baton Rouge Area
Member since Feb 2008
5064 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 1:05 pm to
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Ridley ran great, and after his 2nd fumble on the first drive on the 2nd half, Murphy took the next drive and was horrible.

he fumbled 3 times in that game. I thought all of the positives were cancelled out b/c of this. We cannot afford to have him in the game, especially after his second.
Murphy got only 2 touches. Can't blame a RB for not doing much with 2 touches. I want to see Murph run the rock. He is very talented and gives us more options for JJ to throw to. He is an excellent receiving RB. Imagine him and RS in the game with JJ. The opposing LB's would have to be honest and well, none I have seen would be able to handle those 2 guys in open field.
Posted by biglego
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Member since Nov 2007
76581 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 1:12 pm to
I think the knee jerk reaction is to blame Mile for this ugly win. But really, Miles did not miss the FG. Miles did not fumble. Miles did not get beat in the secondary. And Miles did not allow UNC to keep the illegal onside kick.

Jefferson was better--I saw him make some reads to second and third options on pass plays. And his INT was a poor attempt at getting the ball out of bounds. Of course JJ is still not and probably never will be what I consider "good", but he is better and played well enough to blow UNC away.

Miles deserves blame for many things. The OL is still not good, and that might be a matter of personnel and recruiting--legitimate criticism of Miles.

Everyone loves Miles' hiring of Chavis, Gonzales, and Wilson, but I didn't see any great improvement in their respective areas. Is that Miles' fault?





Posted by biglego
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Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 1:14 pm to
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he fumbled 3 times in that game. I thought all of the positives were cancelled out b/c of this. We cannot afford to have him in the game, especially after his second.

+1
I'm shocked at the fumbles. If there's one good thing we can say about Miles-coached teams, is they normally dont fumble. The Ridley fumbles were surprising bc after the first fumble, the RB is usually benched. I have heard that Ford doesnt know the playbook and that's why he isnt played much. Who knows.
Posted by biglego
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Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 1:16 pm to
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OL was VERY solid. And no, those were not scrubs they were playing against. They aren't scrubs anymore than Brockers or Downs, our 2nd string DTs are, and they got pushed off the ball all night in the run game, and didn't get a sack. And T-Bob, who I wanted cut after watching the game, played really well and DID NOT hold on that TD. He absolutely pancaked his man. HORRIBLE CALL. Improvement here was VERY obvious.

I've been wanting TBob benched too, but in all honesty I dont really watch him during games very closely. The OL did look much better than last year, but still not that great IMO. But damn, last year was a low bar to improve on.
Posted by biglego
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Member since Nov 2007
76581 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 1:19 pm to
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We had big plays, which were great, but because of those plays, we didn't get to see the O sustain drives as much as I'd like. Because we can't always count on those big plays once we get to the SEC schedule.


This worried me a lot, esp bc I remember the same thing in the opener against Washinton last year. Big pass plays but few impressive drives.
Posted by truck man
Member since Dec 2007
75 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 3:08 pm to
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Why would you take out a 50 yard touchdown pass when evaluating a QBs performance? Do you take out Yates' 97 and 75 yarder to evaluate our D?

You do realize that's it's tough to rack up a lot of yards on offense when you have over 300 yards of returns right? Please tell me you understand how that works.

As for the number of completions, we only threw the ball 7 times in the 2nd half because we were up by 3 TDs. JJ was 5/7 in the second half after going 10/14 in the 1st half.


cause aside from the 51 yard TD pass and the 21 yard pass to Mitch Joseph, his longest pass was for a 7 yard gain. 13 completions for 79 yards is why your passing game struggled. if you didn't notice that then you surely didn't rewatch the game. you can take out Yates' long passes to evaluate the D, but the problem is that they consistently give up a 10 yard cushion and can't get of the field on 3rd downs. Yates also had 13 completed passes of over 10 yards 9 of which went for 15 or more. Jefferson had 2. then you'll want to count the drops, well UNC dropped 3 TDs. 2 that would have given them leads, the last one winning the game.

i definitely understand that gaining yards on returns makes it hard to rack up yardage, but do you understand that we had 250 + return yards before halftime. there is no excuse to why we didn't gain yardage in the 2nd half by throwing the ball.






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Keep us in games??? We were up 3 TDs with 10 minutes to go. And I noticed you didn't mention Nevis, Montgomery, Jai, Matthieu, Barksdale, Dworcyzk, Lonergan, TBob, Hurst, Ridley, or JJ who played VERY WELL in the game too.

Those guys don't matter?




well considering the only reason we got the lead in the first half was on great plays by Sheppard, Randle and Peterson and the best throw of JJs career, i'd say they are gonna have to carry LSU most of the season. and in no way to JJ have a good game, unless you call not reading your progessions and not throwing to open WR down the field. his reads go as this: lock onto #1 WR, if he's not open, throw dump off or run. that just doesn't cut it for me.
This post was edited on 9/7/10 at 8:11 am
Posted by tmoney
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2008
1264 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 3:13 pm to
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DL was absolutely sick first half Nevis, Pep, Montgomery, and Brockers are monsters.


There FIFY. UNC qb throw for over 420 yrds while game still undecided. I don't care how many times you re watch it the outcome was still the same. garbage.
Posted by texastigerr
Texas
Member since Jan 2005
8311 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 4:13 pm to
I watched it twice as well. If Ford doesn't know the play book after a red shirt year and a spring and a fall then that's is on the coaching staff.

RR not getting more opportunities is on coaching
RS getting very limited opportunities after his second touchdown is coaching
Not picking up the slant in the second half is coaching.
They gave up 400 yards to an offense without its 2 best players. Coaching
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