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re: Record vs eye test
Posted on 12/4/23 at 12:49 pm to JiminyCricket
Posted on 12/4/23 at 12:49 pm to JiminyCricket
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It's funny how the arguments on subjectivity always seem to fall in Bama's favor
Precisely.
The committee avoided using objective criteria so that Alabama would be in.
Its beyond pathetic and will be huge in future.
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 12:51 pm to LSUfan4444
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The only thing expansion guarantees is that the same flawed logic used today will be done so on a larger scale.
How anyone think that can equate to improvement is mind boggling.
Because 2023 was an outlier in that 7 teams could legit win the title. Most years its only 2-3 that have a chance. At 12, all the deserving teams get in and you are arguing on whether LSU should get in with the worst defense in program history. That argument holds a lot less weight than FSU vs Bama at 4.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 12:55 pm to LSUfan4444
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The only thing expansion guarantees is that the same flawed logic used today will be done so on a larger scale.
How anyone think that can equate to improvement is mind boggling.
It's not the same thing at all. In the new format, there is objectivity to the selection. Win a power 5 conference and you're in, no if's ands' or but's.
So already in the new system, you have teams being rewarded for winning a power conference. Then you can argue about the at large bids but let's be honest, there won't be 12 undefeated teams. If you're on the lower end of the 12, there will be objective reasons you aren't in.
Take LSU for example, they sit at #13. If LSU complains about not being in, you can easily point to the Ole Miss game as the reason they missed it. Don't lose a 3rd game and give up 55 pts to OM and you'd be in.
The new format essentially guarantees that a power 5 conference champion, especially an undefeated one, will have the opportunity to compete for a title. There won't be any undefeated P5CC told to sit at home because of "the eye test."
And furthermore, it gives us more big time ranked matchups in meaningful football in December. What's not to like?
Posted on 12/4/23 at 12:56 pm to TigerKnights
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There may be some people complaining about who the 12th seed should be, but most won't care since it's so far down the line and they'll likely just be a rent-a-win for number 1.
Back in the BCS days, everyone argued over who should be #2 vs. 3. Now we are arguing over who should be #4 vs. 5. With 12 teams, there will be arguments over the last couple of spots. Oklahoma is #12 (10-2) with the 54th strength of schedule. LSU is #13 with the tenth toughest schedule. Are we not fighting and losing our minds over that next year?
Posted on 12/4/23 at 12:57 pm to LSUfan4444
Hey everybody...we have this shitty that doesnt work how can we make it better?
Ooh, I know.
Make it three times bigger.
Ooh, I know.
Make it three times bigger.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 12:58 pm to notbilly
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Back in the BCS days, everyone argued over who should be #2 vs. 3. Now we are arguing over who should be #4 vs. 5. With 12 teams, there will be arguments over the last couple of spots. Oklahoma is #12 (10-2) with the 54th strength of schedule. LSU is #13 with the tenth toughest schedule. Are we not fighting and losing our minds over that next year?
An undefeated FSU team fighting for a 4th spot is way different than a 3 loss LSU teams complaining about being left out.
FSU literally did all they could do. LSU did a lot wrong this year. Arguing over 12 and 4 is not the same thing.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 12:59 pm to notbilly
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Back in the BCS days, everyone argued over who should be #2 vs. 3. Now we are arguing over who should be #4 vs. 5. With 12 teams, there will be arguments over the last couple of spots. Oklahoma is #12 (10-2) with the 54th strength of schedule. LSU is #13 with the tenth toughest schedule. Are we not fighting and losing our minds over that next year?
Yeah but arguing over the 12th spot has far less power than the 4th. Realistically, LSU or OU probably won't win it all so outside of our respective fanbases, I don't think anyone will care which team gets in.
Where as this year, We have LSU fans going at each others throats over FSU vs Bama.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 1:00 pm to LSUfan4444
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Hey everybody...we have this shitty that doesnt work how can we make it better?
Ooh, I know.
Make it three times bigger.
This is dumb.
"Hey everybody, we have this awesome family vehicle but it only fits 4 people. We have 3 kids and my wife and me."
"I know, let's add a third row."
"Perfect"
Sometimes expansion is better.
This post was edited on 12/4/23 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 12/4/23 at 1:01 pm to JiminyCricket
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FSU literally did all they could do
I know I have been arguing that it was right to leave FSU out but I do agree with this. They won the games they could win and did it without their best QB down the stretch. I really do feel bad for them. I just think this happened in a the worst year possible for them because there were so many teams with legit arguments to be in.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 1:02 pm to JiminyCricket
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FSU literally did all they could do
With 100% success.
And for that, they were forsaken for an Alabama team that lost by two scores at home.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 1:02 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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Yeah but arguing over the 12th spot has far less power than the 4th. Realistically, LSU or OU probably won't win it all so outside of our respective fanbases, I don't think anyone will care which team gets in.
Where as this year, We have LSU fans going at each others throats over FSU vs Bama.
Next year will undoubtedly be better. It's got at least some objectivity to it.
Win a conference championship and you're in. Come in 2nd in an elite conference, you have at large bids for those teams. 12 is exponentially better.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 1:02 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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Look deeper into that.
the SEC has 4 wins against the ACC
Georgia and Ole Miss (both top 12 teams) have wins over Georgia Tech (unranked)
Tennessee (#21) has a win over Virginia (3-9).
Kentucky over Louisville is the only win worth a damn by the SEC over the ACC.
the ACC has 6 wins over the SEC
FSU over current #13
Miami over Texas A&M. (both roughly equal in conference pecking orders)
Wake Forrest over Vandy (both roughly equal in conference pecking order)
then UNC and Clemson both beat South Carolina and FSU beat Florida.
so honestly, the ACC's wins over the SEC are better than the other way around.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 1:04 pm to Nutriaitch
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so honestly, the ACC's wins over the SEC are better than the other way around.
Exactly.
Some LSU fans are pathologically owned by Alabama. Its like abused spouse syndrome.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 1:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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So did FSU.
Played one acc team all year with less than 4 losses and that team was beat by Sec #8 Kentucky lol
Posted on 12/4/23 at 1:08 pm to notbilly
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Back in the BCS days, everyone argued over who should be #2 vs. 3. Now we are arguing over who should be #4 vs. 5. With 12 teams, there will be arguments over the last couple of spots. Oklahoma is #12 (10-2) with the 54th strength of schedule. LSU is #13 with the tenth toughest schedule. Are we not fighting and losing our minds over that next year?
Oklahoma wouldn’t be in a 12-team playoff. Liberty would get the 12th spot.
LSU would be 2 spots away.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 1:20 pm to Oneforthemoney
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Played one acc team all year with less than 4 losses
played 2 SEC schools
beat one of those by more than Alabama did
Posted on 12/4/23 at 1:21 pm to JiminyCricket
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Take LSU for example, they sit at #13. If LSU complains about not being in, you can easily point to the Ole Miss game as the reason they missed it. Don't lose a 3rd game and give up 55 pts to OM and you'd be in.
Correct, but when Bama is in this same situation, they will get in.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 1:26 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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The difference here is that Bama beat the number 1 team in the country in the final game
No they didn't.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 1:53 pm to Not Cooper
FSU beat up on opponents with a combined record of 77-79. They said they scheduled more P5 opponents than anyone else, but that's not true. They played 11 P5 opponents, same as Texas and Washington. Bama, UGA, and Michigan played 10.
Here is your opponenent records:
Alabama: 98-61 (61.6%)
Texas: 91-67 (57.6%)
Georgia: 87-69 (55.8%)
Wash: 87-72 (54.7%)
Mich: 83-75 (52.5%)
FSU: 77-79 (49.4%)
(most of those are WITH Jordan Travis)
Against P5 Opponents Records only:
Alabama: 80-42 (65.6%)
Georgia: 71-50 (58.7%)
Texas: 77-57 (57.5%)
Wash: 75-59 (56%)
Mich: 65-56 (53.7%)
FSU: 71-62 (53.4%)
# of P5 games played (W-L vs Final CFP Top 25):
Wash: 11 (4-0)
FSU: 11 (3-0)
Texas: 11 (3-1)
Mich: 10 (3-0)
Alabama: 10 (3-1)
Georgia: 10 (3-1)
P5 schedule and records are pretty even, but the opponent records are VERY telling. I understand using the conference champion criteria since they all had 0 or 1 loss, but there was a case that could have been made for UGA to stay in over Michigan and FSU. WHO you play overall matters.
Here is your opponenent records:
Alabama: 98-61 (61.6%)
Texas: 91-67 (57.6%)
Georgia: 87-69 (55.8%)
Wash: 87-72 (54.7%)
Mich: 83-75 (52.5%)
FSU: 77-79 (49.4%)
(most of those are WITH Jordan Travis)
Against P5 Opponents Records only:
Alabama: 80-42 (65.6%)
Georgia: 71-50 (58.7%)
Texas: 77-57 (57.5%)
Wash: 75-59 (56%)
Mich: 65-56 (53.7%)
FSU: 71-62 (53.4%)
# of P5 games played (W-L vs Final CFP Top 25):
Wash: 11 (4-0)
FSU: 11 (3-0)
Texas: 11 (3-1)
Mich: 10 (3-0)
Alabama: 10 (3-1)
Georgia: 10 (3-1)
P5 schedule and records are pretty even, but the opponent records are VERY telling. I understand using the conference champion criteria since they all had 0 or 1 loss, but there was a case that could have been made for UGA to stay in over Michigan and FSU. WHO you play overall matters.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 2:10 pm to Nutriaitch
You guys are bragging over wins over South Carolina and Vandy, a Florida team that didn't even make a bowl game, and aTm who paid $76million for Jimbo NOT to coach because they kept being mediocre?
That's not anything to brag about
That's not anything to brag about
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