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re: Reason for loss in Oxford
Posted on 10/21/13 at 9:56 am to LSUPHILLY72
Posted on 10/21/13 at 9:56 am to LSUPHILLY72
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And only one pick was in the redzone...and that was the 2nd pick and LSU was at the 20.
Well you're wrong. 2 were in the end zone. The first one thrown was most CERTAINLY in the end zone. If you need evidence go look at the box score.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 10:02 am to LSUPHILLY72
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The picks were not good...but they were far from costly turnovers that cost us the game.
They definitely were costly. In the first half we were trying to limit possessions and shorten the game, those picks destroyed that gameplan. When you try to limit possessions you have to make sure those you do have count for something.
We don't have the defense to play from behind, if the offense doesn't put up points early we will struggle to win.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 10:03 am to navy
LSU's $4.5 million coach already admitted that he didn't have his team ready to play
Posted on 10/21/13 at 10:19 am to gahousedivided
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the defense played well enough for us to win
Posted on 10/21/13 at 10:20 am to old man tiger
I agree the defense was not there especially the linebackers over running plays and the linemen that can't get off a block!
Posted on 10/21/13 at 10:22 am to gahousedivided
It's a combo of D, picks and Miles.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 10:26 am to Terry the Tiger
quote:Then clearly our offense was a problem. I don't see how you can conclude that the defense was the biggest problem when they were playing against a seasoned offense playing their best game of the year while our offense was going against walk-ons.
We are still using the young defense excuse, yet Ole Miss was playing walk-ons.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 10:28 am to gahousedivided
525 yards
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Posted on 10/21/13 at 10:31 am to gahousedivided
Defense was pourous at best. Mett needs to learn how to look off one receiver and go to another one. He's a senior, and he'll need this skill to make it at the next level. Another question is "why did we abandon the running game with 5 minutes left in the third quarter"?? We were 10 points behind.
Also, the commentators said that LSU called the time out with only a few seconds on the clock. Wouldn't have made more sense to call it with 25 or so left so that we could position ourselves for a field goal of our own?
Also, the commentators said that LSU called the time out with only a few seconds on the clock. Wouldn't have made more sense to call it with 25 or so left so that we could position ourselves for a field goal of our own?
Posted on 10/21/13 at 10:31 am to gahousedivided
There was over a minute to play and Ole Miss was in a 3rd and 9 situation inside their own territory. Our defense isn't very good. I don't even think they are average.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 10:33 am to gahousedivided
Reason for loss in Oxford (IMHO):
Posted on 10/21/13 at 10:33 am to yeauxkneauxit
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Posted by yeauxkneauxit You are the only one. This loss doesn't fall on Mett shoulders alone
Right, whole team can take this loss. Offense should score more than 27 on that OM defense. Defense should be able to hold OM to under 24.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 10:33 am to gahousedivided
Our defense could not have stopped Grambling. At least not Grambling when they show up for a game. Mettenberger sucked, pure and simple. People can slam Cameron for his play calling, but those INTs are on Mettenberger. I do think Hill should have a few more carries, but this gameplan preparation was atrocious.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 11:04 am to gahousedivided
"Am I the only one who thinks the defense played well enough for us to win?"
In any close game, you can make this sort of argument because it is easy to point to a play or two that would have changed things. For example, "the offense had a bad first half but hung 24 on the board in the second. The O played 'well enough to win' if the D could have ever gotten off the field on 3rd down in the second half instead of giving up 6 of 8." The more meaninful question is simply whether the D played well. Unfortunately, the answer is "no, the D surrended 525 yards to Ole Miss in a disastrous outing."
"The gameplan was good enough to win?"
The same, relatively meaningless assertion could be made for the offensive game plan. In fact, it would be more supportable because the offensive failures were more directly tied to poor decisions/throws by Mett. The D was bad for most of the game and dreadful late, which suggests a bad plan/preparation, not just a couple of mistakes.
"And that Mettenberger's first half of not checking down cost us the game?"
Of course, this "cost us the game." But so did "not making a stop when it counted." Hell, the Ole Miss return man almost "cost Ole Miss the game."
In any close game, you can make this sort of argument because it is easy to point to a play or two that would have changed things. For example, "the offense had a bad first half but hung 24 on the board in the second. The O played 'well enough to win' if the D could have ever gotten off the field on 3rd down in the second half instead of giving up 6 of 8." The more meaninful question is simply whether the D played well. Unfortunately, the answer is "no, the D surrended 525 yards to Ole Miss in a disastrous outing."
"The gameplan was good enough to win?"
The same, relatively meaningless assertion could be made for the offensive game plan. In fact, it would be more supportable because the offensive failures were more directly tied to poor decisions/throws by Mett. The D was bad for most of the game and dreadful late, which suggests a bad plan/preparation, not just a couple of mistakes.
"And that Mettenberger's first half of not checking down cost us the game?"
Of course, this "cost us the game." But so did "not making a stop when it counted." Hell, the Ole Miss return man almost "cost Ole Miss the game."
Posted on 10/21/13 at 11:17 am to gahousedivided
LSU's weakest teams can't beat the Black Bears strongest teams.
LSU's defense this year is average at best, and its offense is only as good as Mettenberger. Half a season under Cameron is not enough to iron out all the wrinkles.
Mettenberger is only as good as his pass protection, and that wasn't very strong against the Black Bears when they blitzed.
Also, where is LSU's pass rush like the years with the Honey Badger?
I don't think the Chief called any blitzes during Ole Miss's last drive.
LSU's defense this year is average at best, and its offense is only as good as Mettenberger. Half a season under Cameron is not enough to iron out all the wrinkles.
Mettenberger is only as good as his pass protection, and that wasn't very strong against the Black Bears when they blitzed.
Also, where is LSU's pass rush like the years with the Honey Badger?
I don't think the Chief called any blitzes during Ole Miss's last drive.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 11:36 am to Sheetbend
I mean, in a game that's decided by a field goal, there are always a million things that could have happened differently that would have changed the result of the game.
As usual for games that come down to the wire, it seems like the majority of the talking heads and bloggers are focusing on the final drive of the game. That was a poor defensive effort to be sure. But even with 3 picks, Ole Miss only scored 10 in the first half. So the defense is also the only reason we were even within striking distance at all.
Overall, Ole Miss played perfectly and got the benefit of subpar efforts on both sides of the ball for LSU. But I don't see how anyone could watch that game and conclude that it was all the defenses fault. It seems silly to point to just one thing when there's plenty of blame to go around, but if forced to, the three picks in the first half were clearly the biggest reason we lost.
As usual for games that come down to the wire, it seems like the majority of the talking heads and bloggers are focusing on the final drive of the game. That was a poor defensive effort to be sure. But even with 3 picks, Ole Miss only scored 10 in the first half. So the defense is also the only reason we were even within striking distance at all.
Overall, Ole Miss played perfectly and got the benefit of subpar efforts on both sides of the ball for LSU. But I don't see how anyone could watch that game and conclude that it was all the defenses fault. It seems silly to point to just one thing when there's plenty of blame to go around, but if forced to, the three picks in the first half were clearly the biggest reason we lost.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 11:50 am to tiger7166
Of couse he did take the blame off of the kids and put it on him.
The reason we lost to many INT's and a defense everyone already knew was young. I also think they went into the game thinking they could just show up and win and you can't do that with any team in the SEC. The coaches can do all they can but ultimatley it's the players that have to perform and on Saturday our kids did not perform.
The reason we lost to many INT's and a defense everyone already knew was young. I also think they went into the game thinking they could just show up and win and you can't do that with any team in the SEC. The coaches can do all they can but ultimatley it's the players that have to perform and on Saturday our kids did not perform.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 12:13 pm to mcpotiger
quote:Unacceptable.
LSU's $4.5 million coach already admitted that he didn't have his team ready to play
Yall think Alleva called Deebeaux into his office and told him anything at all? "Hey Les, I'm not paying you 4.5 milliion to take a few games off every season. How about giving some of your salary back."
Posted on 10/21/13 at 12:15 pm to gahousedivided
Several. Most covered in the numerous threads since the loss. I will say that what I noticed watching the team warm up and then take the field, other than a few jumping around, I saw no fire, exitement, whatever you want to call it on our sidelines.
Also, maybe the biggest reason, OM wanted it way more than we did. They got tired of hearing all week how they were going to get their asses handed to them, too many injuries, etc., etc.
Also, maybe the biggest reason, OM wanted it way more than we did. They got tired of hearing all week how they were going to get their asses handed to them, too many injuries, etc., etc.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 12:36 pm to gahousedivided
Just so you know... In the books it goes down as LSU losing, not LSU Defense, LSU Offense! LSU lost because it was a combination of the lack of offense and defense.
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