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re: rant myths
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:37 am to bfniii
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:37 am to bfniii
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each week, the opponent's starters are basically equal to lsu's starters (and don't start in with the recruiting rankings. that is an incredibly subjective and inexact measurement).
this statement must be stricken from the record because it emasculates any and all arguments put forward by the anti-miles mutts that permeate this forum. without the 'big lie' that states unequivocally that LSU has superior three deep talent at every position these morons would have zero credence and frankly...nothing to live for. as for the rivals rankings, many of the prospects who helped to comprise those lofty rankings have either been exposed as talent challenged or have suffered self implosion.
great post filled with logic and truth...something many on the rant are incapable of understanding or will reject out of hand because it does not fit their agenda.
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Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:40 am to bfniii
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So we pay coaches based on thier ability to keep us out of trouble with the NCAA?
absolutely. it's implied. that's why coaches hire compliance officers.
I agree with most of what you said, but this is not accurate. Coaches do not hire compliance officers. The athletic department does. LSU compliance officer is named Miriam Segar, a former LSU women's basketball player. Her boss is Alleva and before that was Bertman. She has been working for LSU for years.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:42 am to byubengalboy
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the 'big lie' that states unequivocally that LSU has superior three deep talent at every position
No one says this. Do you actually think we are an equally talented team OVERALL to, say, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Miss State? Did we beat Miss State because Les Miles "outcoached" Dan Mullen? You've got to be out of your fricking mind.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:43 am to Reality Tiger
quote:i think you know that's not entirely crowton's fault.
Last year our QN set an all time record for most INTs returned for touchdowns.
quote:i'm not talking head to head. i'm talking overall.
Nutt has won three in a row against Miles.
quote:what, that the refs are cheating FOR miles? that miles is lucky? that miles controls the sec scheduling so that it's in his favor? that miles controls the weather to his advantage? he somehow controls injuries?
And this is exactly how why a completely horrible and inept coach like Miles could have a team that's 9-3.
quote:myth. if the sec is the best conference, which it is, other teams have a ton of talent also.
Did you mention that talent differential is also a factor
quote:untrue. besides, players in the nfl is not the only measure of how good college players are. some pros were mediocre as college players.
LSU currently has more players on NFL players as any other team
quote:as far as starters in the sec, yes it is. the "gap" isn't nearly as wide as rantards believe
Talent is not "basically the same".
quote:dang people. just because miles recruits well doesn't mean that others DON'T. once again, my comment was about STARTERS. miles does have more depth than most of the conference.
Didn't you just say that all teams have "basically" the same talent???
quote:there's more to it than just oratory skills
Have you ever heard the guy talk???
dang bro, get some comprehension
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:45 am to byubengalboy
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without the 'big lie' that states unequivocally that LSU has superior three deep talent at every position these morons would have zero credence and frankly...nothing to live for.
without giving miles credit for recruiting that 3-deep talent, he loses his strongest argument
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:46 am to Bayou Sam
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Did we beat Miss State because Les Miles "outcoached" Dan Mullen?
tyson lee has a future in the NFL
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:46 am to Bayou Sam
quote:how can you deny that there is more to a game than just drawing up a game plan?
You would be right if that were true.
quote:underachieving based on what scale? he continues to win in the toughest conference in america. how in the world could he do that if he's continually underachieving?
Miles is not underachieving in just one aspect
quote:the flaw with this idea is that the other coach is going to be able to continue his current streak, which he won't. it's only a matter of time before that coach either comes back to the pack or leaves.
it is obvious that there is at least one much better coach in our own conference division, and that alone is enough for me to be unhappy with Les Miles.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:47 am to LsuTool
quote:do you honestly believe that miles' contract has one stipulation; win games? that's a mighty short contract.
Miles gets paid to win football games. If you dont beleive me, then prove me wrong.
This post was edited on 12/16/09 at 10:48 am
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:48 am to bfniii
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the flaw with this idea is that the other coach is going to be able to continue his current streak, which he won't
why not?
he's still dealing with the mess he was left. do you know how many 1st, 2nd, and 3rd year players start for them?
hell a 2nd year guy just won the heisman there
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:49 am to bfniii
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do you honestly believe that miles' contract has one stipulation; win games? that's a mighty short contract.
Do you honesty believe it says he'll be one of the top paid coaches for complying with NCAA rules or graduating players?
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:50 am to SlowFlowPro
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tyson lee has a future in the NFL
genius
Or was it because the Dreadlocks of Doom returned a crazy arse punt and jumped 4 feet in the air to knowck down a pass that was wide open.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:51 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:COLLEGE AWARDS?
how many players do MSU, Vandy, Arky, etc get drafted highly or have college awards? very few
what a joke. as far as the draft, well, no nfl team has ever had a bust or a steal, right? quote:and you think two years is a good sample set to judge him by? wow.
UO? not weak. significant drop
quote:speaking ability. not personality. ask michigan fans what they think of him.
no he's mocked almost weekly during the season for his personality
quote:it's one season. relax. let's see if he improves next year. look at the big picture. the team got better from last season.
an offense ranked in teh 100s with our talent is a huge fail
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:53 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:that's not exactly what i said. i said that when it comes to starters in the sec, the teams are roughly equal, and that's true. now depth, that's a different story. there's where you can tell miles shines as a recruiter. but let's ignore that and harp on the missed time out at ole miss.
he's saying vandy, MSU, Arky, Ole Miss, etc are = to LSU
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:54 am to bfniii
quote:
do you honestly believe that miles' contract has one stipulation; win games? that's a mighty short contract.
Really?
What other stipulations of the contract provide for him to be the highest paid coach in America???
Do you think there's a clause saying that if we aren't on NCAA probation he gets to be paid more than Saban.
That's the problem with the "posi-tigers"
At first it's acceptable if we're in the "top third" in the conference" then 7-4 is okay, next our goal is just to remain off of NCAA probation.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:54 am to JustSmokin
Can I get a list of how miles stacks up against other HC relative to Miles' strengths. I know some publications rate the best DCs, OCs, head coaches and such. It may be based on winning. But we know thats not that important.
I wanna see how Miles stacks up vs his peers in regards to: Integrity, hiring compliance officers, ability to keep us out of trouble with the NCAA, making "good" hires, having good morals, being a nice guy, representing our university well, and recruiting.
There has got to a publication somewhere that compares HCs based on those factors. That is what really counts and why we pay him the big bucks.
I wanna see how Miles stacks up vs his peers in regards to: Integrity, hiring compliance officers, ability to keep us out of trouble with the NCAA, making "good" hires, having good morals, being a nice guy, representing our university well, and recruiting.
There has got to a publication somewhere that compares HCs based on those factors. That is what really counts and why we pay him the big bucks.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:56 am to Klaus
quote:exactly. people can't prove it but continue to believe it despite rationale to the contrary.
It is not for us to prove anything
quote:i admitted you could make a case for winning to be the most heavily weighted thing and if you do, then you should be happy with miles. he's winning ALOT despite constantly playing against superior competition. he's got to be doing something right.
It is all about The Bottom Line
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:57 am to Reality Tiger
quote:to some people, you're right. they're ignoring the factors i listed in the op. here's an experiment. compare miles to augie garrido.
He is a laughing stock as a football coach
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:58 am to JustSmokin
quote:again, is that the ONLY thing in his contract? work with me here.
It's in his contract. He gets an automatic increase for winning the SEC and/or NC.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:58 am to bfniii
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there's where you can tell miles shines as a recruiter
Go look at LSU Dline depth in 05 and 06 and compare it to our depth this season. Make sure and look at the classifcation of the players on the 2 deep and tell me what you find.
ITS AMAZING!! Tell me how many walk ons saw playing time at DT, tell me how many true freshman saw playing time at DT, tell me how many redshirt freshman saw playing time at DE.
Miles did an incredible job destroying our defensive line.
He brought in some serious compliance officers though. Gotta give him credit for that.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:58 am to bfniii
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miles isn't payed to win games
You are right, he is paid to "coach em up" and to "desire" to not "be second". Also, to have a "desire and need" to "CLOCK IT"!
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