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Posted on 7/15/08 at 12:19 pm
Posted by jbirds1
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Posted on 7/15/08 at 12:19 pm
Or any other fans for that matter. I just watched a replay of the 2007 NC game for the first time since the original. I know, I know, we've talked about this 1 bazillion times. But I didn't really get to "watch" the game until the second time through. With all the emotions and beer, it was hard to really watch what went on.

So, here's my question. Besides the penalties your team received for, IMHO, stupid mistakes that they should not have made, what's the one thing you would have liked your team to do better?

Personally, I think your team did really well, except for the middle part of the game. The only aspect of the game I thought you were out gunned, was your WR's v. our CB's and safeties. If yall would have ahd a passing game, it might have been a little closer. Obviously, I look for this to improve this year, since your two starting Wr's will be coming back.

What was your team's "weakness" during that game. Composure, passing, D line . . .
Posted by Geauxgrl
Big D
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Posted on 7/15/08 at 12:22 pm to
Their main weakness was their inability to handle our O-line I think. That number 1 ranked defense never had a chance. I just watched the game again Sunday and Flynn had all day, backs had holes. OSU's front seven were not effective. I think the tackle leaders were either Laurinitis or some DB.

O-Line
Posted by jbirds1
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Posted on 7/15/08 at 12:23 pm to
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Laurinitis

Going to be a stud. Actually, he's already bad arse.
This post was edited on 7/15/08 at 12:24 pm
Posted by nycajun
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Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 7/15/08 at 12:27 pm to
Once they got down by 21 points, they pretty much abandoned Beanie Wells as their primary weapon (and I'm sure Bo's adjustments didn't help).
Posted by Buckeye Fan 19
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Posted on 7/15/08 at 12:30 pm to
I've only seen the game once, and like you, I wasn't really watching certain tendencies/players/matchups the first time like I would if I was watching the second time. I was "just watching the game".

One thing I remember we did poorly was pass blocking. I think our running game was good, but I think your tackles got too much penetration on our guards and center. I think we did okay, not great on your ends, but, yeah, your D-line in general played very well.
Posted by Buckeye06
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 7/15/08 at 12:34 pm to
Biggest weaknesses.......

1. You hit the nail on the head about our wideouts. They could not get open all night, and that made Boeckman look like crap, even moreso than he may have looked otherwise
2. Our D was extremely overrated and I hate JL. It doesn't matter IMO if you have 18 tackles if 14 of them are after Hester has run 6 yards.
3. We didn't use screens effectively. To negate the speed rush you have do do something that the D isn't used to seeing your team run. We could have done a few out to Saine and maybe he could have made a play.


Thank you for seeing that the game was not as one sided as the media made it. I myself rewatched the game 2 weeks ago for the 1st time. It was difficult for me to fathom how OSU, who didn't have a history of making dumb plays in 2007, made so many questionable decisions.

It goes with the territory, and LSU was the better team.
Posted by SouthEndzoneTiger
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 7/15/08 at 12:35 pm to
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but, yeah, your D-line in general played very well.


And it's going to be better this year.
Posted by JIMBLAST
Dallas
Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 7/15/08 at 12:51 pm to
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2. Our D was extremely overrated and I hate JL. It doesn't matter IMO if you have 18 tackles if 14 of them are after Hester has run 6 yards.


You hate JL? Personally, I thought he played a great game and is a class act.

You can't discuss the game without pointing to the bonehead penalties OSU acquired during key moments:

Running into the kicker after stopping us which would have given you all excellent momentum.

Personal fouls which shortened the field for our offense.

Other than that, the inability to handle Crowton's spread offense in my view were killers for you guys when I viewed the game. Especially the inability to cover the tight end in key situations.

Posted by Buckeye06
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 7/15/08 at 12:58 pm to
I shouldn't have said hate; that is much too strong. I think that he is quite overrated for what everyone makes him out to be. I think a lot of his tackles come 5 yards deep when the damage is done.

Posted by Buckeye Fan 19
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 7/15/08 at 1:01 pm to
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You hate JL?


I can't speak for Buckeye06. I think what he meant was that he hated how overrated he is.

JL is overrated. He seems like a nice guy. He's a very good player and I'm thrilled he came back. He doesn't attack as much as I like, though. And if you consistently watch Buckeye games, you'll realize he is overrated. In all honesty (dead serious here), I don't even know if he is OSU's best LB.
Posted by jbirds1
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Posted on 7/15/08 at 1:33 pm to
Well, I seriously think that it would have been a much, mcuh closer game if the penalties would not have been there. However, there was no constant team in the game. Obviously, LSU was more constant, but tehy were only performing at their best when OSU was at their worst; likewise for OSU.
I don't know, that's just what I saw. But I still think this biggest weakness on that team was the WR's and even the CB's.
As far as JL, I don't really get a chance to watch him play that much. But when I do see him play, he makes some great hits. However, you are correct, he tends to stay in his position and wait for people to come at him. Obviously, it's a lot easier to make tackles when you wait for someone to cross the line. I guess that makes his game look a little better.
Posted by JIMBLAST
Dallas
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Posted on 7/15/08 at 2:10 pm to
I'm not sure if there were many linebackers throughout the nation in college football who could stop Hester from making a first in short yardage situations.

Our offensive and defensive lines took over the game from midway through the first half on.

Your special teams let you down in 3 instances:

Fumble recovery where you all should have recovered.

Blocked field goal (huge momentum killer).

Running into the kicker (another huge swing).
Posted by Buckeye Fan 19
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 7/15/08 at 2:13 pm to
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Your special teams let you down in 3 instances:

Fumble recovery where you all should have recovered.

Blocked field goal (huge momentum killer).

Running into the kicker (another huge swing).



Which is odd, because usually, special teams is a Buckeye strong point.
Posted by jbirds1
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Posted on 7/15/08 at 2:16 pm to
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Running into the kicker (another huge swing).

IMO, this was the deal breaker in the game.

But then again, it felt like LSU was just going through the motions the ENTIRE game. They just went out there and played. There wasn't much excitement after the first half and we just can't the ball on the ground in the second half. There was a part of me that wished we would have played the entire game like it was tied.
Posted by tugger5000
East Tennessee
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 7/15/08 at 10:40 pm to
I'll probably be crucified for throwing this out, but I think it was 2 things...

-It didn't seem like the coaching staff was adjusting based on the dynamics of the game.

-Buckeyes didn't seem to be playing as a team.

LSU looked sharp that day.. they were motivated and it showed...
Posted by KillerNut9
Pearl Jam
Member since Dec 2007
33503 posts
Posted on 7/15/08 at 10:49 pm to
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JL is overrated


How the hell is he overrated? He had two DT's infront of him that couldn't do shite and always got their arse blown back into him. Having 18 tackles, while also having to avoid your DT's who are getting their asses kicked, was pretty fricking impressive.
Posted by BamaBuckeye
Ohio
Member since Dec 2007
149 posts
Posted on 7/16/08 at 11:18 am to
Their were many stupid things that we did that game but I agree with the LSU poster who talked about special teams. I still get sick when I think about that game, but the better team won. I am just glad we are about to kick off another exciting year! Good luck to LSU this year.
Posted by BUCKSn08
Member since May 2008
8 posts
Posted on 7/19/08 at 4:16 pm to
I feel that the Buckeyes truly lost their composure in that second quarter. And at the same time, LSU was playing great football. I think they fell apart when the Tigers came back on them the way they did. At least this time they came out ready to play, unlike the NCG with Florida. Unfortunately, that readiness didn't last long enough for this to be a real battle. I think the Bucks are starting to learn that you cannot hiccup against a great team like LSU, because before you know it, you look at the scoreboard and the game is over! Good luck this year Tigers!!!!
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 7/19/08 at 8:26 pm to
quote:

Thank you for seeing that the game was not as one sided as the media made it. I myself rewatched the game 2 weeks ago for the 1st time. It was difficult for me to fathom how OSU, who didn't have a history of making dumb plays in 2007, made so many questionable decisions.



I thought the game had several surges back and forth. LSU fans remember tOSU getting up very quickly. In the run up to the game, I thought LSU had won at the announcement ceremony. The famous picture of our guys jumping up (they actually jumped up at UGA being announced for the Sugar Bowl) was a point of emphasis for me all month. I showed the picture to my wife and said "After Arkansas, and the whole Michigan debacle, now that we're surprisingly in the big game, this team is going to stomp a hole in Ohio State." Conversely, I could imagine the OSU players and coaches saying, "Damn, another loaded SEC team, chompin' at the bit to get at us."

That first 5 minutes kind of negated all of that, and some people thought that there was a rout in the making. I thought that OSU played well, but uncharacteristically undisciplined and wild at times. I don't know if the staff actively cultivated that to kind of shake things up, and if so, that was a mistake. OSU played better than I thought they would, but so did LSU. It was a great football game.
This post was edited on 7/19/08 at 8:27 pm
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 7/19/08 at 8:38 pm to
quote:

Their were many stupid things that we did that game but I agree with the LSU poster who talked about special teams. I still get sick when I think about that game, but the better team won. I am just glad we are about to kick off another exciting year! Good luck to LSU this year.


Most significant football games turn on a handful of plays. This one was no exception. A couple of bounces the other way, and tOSU would be the BCS champs. I was impressed with several players, particularly Beanie Wells.
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