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re: Question About “O’s Broken Promise” Narrative

Posted on 1/11/18 at 6:38 am to
Posted by The First Cut
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Posted on 1/11/18 at 6:38 am to
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It became public knowledge that he tried to change the actual offensive approach in the Troy game, so he wasn't just going after tempo, he was going after the plays and scheme. He has later said he's the coach, they will do what HE wants. That isn't allowing the OC to run his system. So he's reneged on that part.


The offense sucked the first several games of the season. O told Canada that LSU didn't yet have the personnel to run the offense Canada wanted to and that he needed to make changes. This actually occurred before the Troy game. Canada lost his cookies and got himself fired.

ETA: The offense improved over the course of the year, all at the same time Canada was vocal at practice saying "this ain't my offense".
This post was edited on 1/11/18 at 6:40 am
Posted by baobabtiger
Member since May 2009
4729 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 6:40 am to
He is such a weak coach that he had to promise to hire elite coaches to offset his total inadequacy as a coach.

Now he’s not putting elite coaches around him. In fact, he’s compounding the problem the Les had by simply recycling the former coaching staff. It doesn’t take too much thought to see how this is going end.
Posted by TheHarahanian
Actually not Harahan as of 6/2023
Member since May 2017
19568 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 6:42 am to
It's not what he said he was going to do.

I believe putting Ensminger in as the OC is a one-year measure because O can't get an OC he wants right now, but I choose to believe that. Nobody has said that.

However, we've been told that Ensminger doesn't want the job.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 6:45 am to
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O told Canada that LSU didn't yet have the personnel to run the offense Canada wanted to


In case you are too dense to understand it that is coach orgeron fault. I mean unless you're going to argue that he simultaneously didn't know his own personnel or the style of offense of the coordinator he just agreed to make the highest paid coordinator in the land.

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This actually occurred before the Troy game. Canada lost his cookies and got himself fired. 
well how did we do in the Troy game?

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ETA: The offense improved over the course of the year, all at the same time Canada was vocal at practice saying "this ain't my offense

Well. If you go out and hire a guy with a known offense and you know your personnel and you end up not wanting to run his offense the moron in that situation is you. At the very least you should tell the guy you probably won't run his offense in the first year before you hire him

There is literally no explanation of this whole situation that doesn't end with orgeron being a frick up
This post was edited on 1/11/18 at 6:46 am
Posted by The First Cut
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 1/11/18 at 6:52 am to
Well if you're too dense to understand, I'll spell it out for you. An OC needs to mold his offense around the personnel that he has until he's able to recruit the players he needs.
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
24078 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 6:54 am to
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The fact that a young best coordinator didn't arrive is evidence that 1 does not exist or 1 is not brave enough to take the job.


I don't recall ever hearing "young" being a prerequisite, but I know fans always want a "hot, young up and comer" for coaching searches.

However, the rest of that is dumb. You're not going to find the "best" man for the job, usually, if you're only walking out of your office door then looking left and right down the hallway before calling the search over. And that's what it appears has happened for the second time in as many years for a coaching search.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89619 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 7:00 am to
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I’ve heard all the radio guys saying that O campaigned on getting a top young OC


This is some kind of crazy parsing of words you may be doing inadvertently - so I won't presume to accuse you of deliberate misrepresentation.

O said he was going to hire the best coordinators (and assistant coaches). One of his first hires was Pete Jenkins. Say what you want, but Pete Jenkins is arguably the greatest position coach in CFB history. So, that was within his promise (no question Jenkins was/is well past his prime). Canada's resume was arguable - certainly he was a hot property and was the only OC Broyles candidate after his season in Pitt.

But, Steve Ensminger isn't even in the area code of the promise. And I hate this has turned into a bash Ensminger deal, because I think a lot of Steve Ensminger. I don't even think he's a bad coordinator right now, in 2018.

But, "best"? However subjective and mushy the word "best" is - there is no question this is not what Orgeron promised. "Best" would have to be a guy with a demonstrated Top 20 offense within the past 5, 8 seasons, minimum - either in the NFL or big league CFB. Hell, if he'd gotten the best coordinator in Division I-AA, that might be arguable.

But not LSU's TE coach. In a weird way, it's like O is trying to validate himself - he was a position coach. SE has been a position coach for some time.

Many are speculating that O wants Ensminger so he can meddle in the offense. Maybe that's true - I can't say. Even so, I believe it is more of a comfort level (like Miles was with his coordinator choices, particularly offensive ones). O is "comfortable" with Ensminger - they of the same generation - they were in the LSU program together as players in 1979.

But it is not the type of decision one makes to compete for championships in this day and age. I'm not saying we need a gimmicky offense like Canada's - just a modern offense that has proven success against a range of teams of the upper echelon of CFB.

Steve isn't a bad play caller even today - I think 2016 dispels any notion of that. But calling plays off a play sheet off down and distance and defensive alignment, after doing film study is a far cry from crafting an offensive approach and constructing plays with your personnel to attack the defenses on the upcoming schedule, and adjusting that as you go, depending on how the season unfolds for your team and your opponents.

That's the difference between driving a car and designing/building one.
This post was edited on 1/11/18 at 7:02 am
Posted by Nix to Twillie
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2015
17842 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 7:02 am to
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You can look right to the moron rabid negative fanbase for keeping quality coaches away


This is consistently the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen. “Oh boo hoo, they’re saying mean things on a website. ” Just how pussy do you think these quality coach are?

And do you think for one second a big name coach is going to walk into this program after seeing how the last OC situation was handled? It’s unanimously being referred to as a disaster. I have a much easier time believing that coaches are staying away because A-we don’t contact them, or B-they’ve been paying attention and feel they’d be much safer elsewhere. NOT because of a few meanie fans. Cry me a damn river. Not everyone wants to work for Coach O and Joe Alleva, as hard as that might be for you to get.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 7:03 am to
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Well if you're too dense to understand, I'll spell it out for you. An OC needs to mold his offense around the personnel that he has until he's able to recruit the players he needs


I'm fully aware of what an OC needs to do. Did Coach O discuss personal issues during their interview? Apparently not because apparently it came as a surprise to Canada that he wasn't going to be allowed to run the offense as he saw fit

Which coincidentally even Coach O admits was one of his failures at Ole Miss

When standing on the outside looking in historical perspective matters. One of these guys has done this shite before. And the other one is actually a professional offensive coordinator something coach orgeron has never even come close to being

But yes. Let stress that the defensive line coach has a better handle on what the offense needed as opposed to the guy he apparently failed to properly interview who actually is a coordinator

I'm not necessarily much of a fan of Canada but this failure isn't 100% at coach Os feet

You can choose to believe that a defensive line coach can better assess offensive needs than a guy with 6 years of coordinating experience and more than a decade on the offensive side of the ball. I choose not to believe stupid shite like that
This post was edited on 1/11/18 at 7:06 am
Posted by YouAre8Up
in a house
Member since Mar 2011
12792 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 7:04 am to
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Question About “O’s Broken Promise” Narrative by DontCare


You mean his lie to the public don't you?
Posted by mdtiger1
Great Northwest Louisiana
Member since Jan 2005
1434 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 7:05 am to
Based on what? YOUR opinion? Too bad you know so much but have no voice. Is this crap going to last until the season opener?
Posted by Jaydeaux
Covington
Member since May 2005
18776 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 7:06 am to
WTF are you a Hillary alter? It’s not a narrative it’s what happened you stupid frick
Posted by The First Cut
Member since Apr 2012
14012 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 7:11 am to
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I'm fully aware of what an OC needs to do. Did Coach O discuss personal issues during their interview?


Good grief you are dense. If you have to tell an OC remedial coaching points, and you're going to offer him $1.5 MM per year, you're interviewing the wrong candidate.

ETA: But maybe he did and Canada was the one that reneged, we'll never know. All we know is one Canada was forced to make changes, the offense improved.
This post was edited on 1/11/18 at 7:14 am
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 7:12 am to
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Good grief you are dense. If you have to tell an OC remedial coaching points, and you're going to offer him $1.5 MM per year, you're interviewing the wrong candidate.


I see you chose wisely to ignore the rest of my post

You keep believing that the defensive line coach can diagnose the needs of an offense better than a guy who spent nearly 20 years on that side of the ball

Believe stupid shite if you like but it's still stupid shite
Posted by The First Cut
Member since Apr 2012
14012 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 7:14 am to
Sorry, I didn't read the drivel after the opening nonsense.
Posted by The First Cut
Member since Apr 2012
14012 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 7:14 am to
The offense improved after the meddling, that's the fact pattern.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 7:16 am to
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ETA: But maybe he did and Canada was the one that reneged, we'll never know. All we know is one Canada was forced to make changes, the offense improved


Go ahead. Tell me about all of Coach orgeron experiences that would lead you to go with his judgement on the needs of an offense.

Was it is time as an offensive line coach? Maybe it was his time as a QB coach? Running backs? Wide receivers?

Oh that's right. He's never done any of that. He should definitely be the one whose judgement we go with on this
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 7:17 am to
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The offense improved after the meddling, that's the fact pattern.


Oh fricking please. Teams get better as Seasons go along and a defense got noticeably better as the defensive line got healthy which helped a lot

You are believing a fairytale. You are actually believing in the Judgment of a defensive line guy over a guy who's been on the other side of the ball for nearly 20 years. As such you are retarded
Posted by Jaydeaux
Covington
Member since May 2005
18776 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 7:19 am to
Well there it is. Someone dumb enough to think O made the offense improve. I saw O meddle, us lose to Troy, Alleva tell O to stay out, then the offense improved
Posted by releauxded2469
Boise, ID
Member since Jan 2015
1912 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 7:31 am to
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You can look right to the moron rabid negative fanbase for keeping quality coaches away.




Im sure THATS what it is. It couldn’t have ANYTHING to do with the fact that we just fired a coordinator after one year because our head coach is controlling and hard to get along with and we have a cuck of an athletic director who is ethically a douchebag. If someone offered you a multimillion dollar contract to do your job, are you going to decline it because of what people are saying on an online message board? You seriously can’t be this dense in real life!
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