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Posted on 11/29/15 at 11:16 am
Posted by SJS101
Member since Oct 2007
2795 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 11:16 am
For those who are ecstatic about retaining Miles please answer some questions for me. I do love my school but personally don't think Miles is the guy to bring championships. So...

1. What about Miles past history makes you think anything will be different moving forward.

2. Why does everyone say he should have one more year to fix things? Didn't he have the last 4 years to get things fixed too?

3. If Miles' team has a similar record next year and loses to Bama, Ole Miss, and Arky in our own division will your feelings that he's our best option remain?

Hopefully some honest discussion can come about and not just frick You Miles Rocks rah rah shite. And yes I'm prepared for the first response to be frick YOU MILES ROCKS
Posted by LSUFANDAY1
Member since Jan 2005
2500 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 11:16 am to
they will want to keep him cause he is a nice guy
Posted by chRxis
None of your fricking business
Member since Feb 2008
23624 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 11:20 am to
for them, it's not about results, it's about feelings...

they love the guy... and i can see why... i love the person Miles is too... but they let that cloud their true assessment of what's really happening.... add the fact that most are afraid of change inherently and you can surmise their reasoning for wanting to keep him rather easily....
Posted by TriumphTiger
Alpharetta, GA
Member since Sep 2007
10186 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 11:21 am to
Do I wish we had Saban's Bama success? Sure

Do we have Saban's LSU success with Miles? Yes.

We may be in a similar situation to UGA and Richt. Richt is performing below what the fans expect, but not that much below it. That being said, he is exactly the kind of coach they want to represent the university. That's hard to part with.
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 11:21 am to
quote:

1. What about Miles past history makes you think anything will be different moving forward.

2008 - 2011

quote:

2. Why does everyone say he should have one more year to fix things? Didn't he have the last 4 years to get things fixed too?

Because NFL departures are at a 4-year low and recruiting is at a 4-year high

quote:

3. If Miles' team has a similar record next year and loses to Bama, Ole Miss, and Arky in our own division will your feelings that he's our best option remain?

I think most prepared themselves for this being Miles's last year, and most understand that the program is stagnant now and that next year is supposedly the championship year. If he can't do it then, he probably won't.

frick YOU MILES ROCKS
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39504 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 11:21 am to
quote:

they will want to keep him cause Jimbo fell through


FIFY
Posted by timlan2057
In the Shadow of Tiger Stadium
Member since Sep 2005
16857 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 11:23 am to
This caught me totally off-guard.

Sure, I knew this board had its share of ignoramuses.

But I did not realize that the ignoramuses among the fanbase, season-ticket holders, student-body, and alumni had taken things over--aided by Joe Alleva's and the LSU administration's colossal incompetence, of course.
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
43143 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 11:23 am to
quote:

1. What about Miles past history makes you think anything will be different moving forward.
Everyone wanted Miles fired in 08-09 range then he came back with great run in 2011. I hope and pray he can make another run, that's all we can hope for now. No sense in continuing to bash the guy although I understand the current melt. Sooner or later we need to cheer for the home team.
This post was edited on 11/29/15 at 11:25 am
Posted by Champagne
Already Conquered USA.
Member since Oct 2007
48421 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 11:24 am to
OP:

Just give it up. All of your observations are completely justified and valid. However, your entire perspective is quite wrong. Let me tell you why.

Your observations and comments would be completely on point if LSU were a pro football team. LSU is NOT a pro football organization. It's not run like an NFL franchise. The expectations are not the same as one would see for an NFL team.

LSU football is an amateur football program where college kids play football in exchange for a free education and enough national exposure to give them a good shot at playing for the NFL one day.

Stop thinking of LSU football as some kind of pro football endeavor, because in the NFL, each team has one and only one goal -- to win the Superbowl. When an owner loses confidence in his Head Coach's ability to win the SB, the HC is fired.

The LSU football program does not exist solely to win National Championships. There are many other competing reasons and purposes for its existence, such as, mentoring young athletes, providing a football team that brings students and alumni together during the fall, representing LSU well and making money. Those are the main purposes of the LSU football program.

Any championships or awards are nice to have and very welcome, but, these accolades are ancillary indicia of success in football competition, but they are not indicators of how well LSU football does in those other, JUST AS IMPORTANT areas. Those other main areas that I mention are just as important, but, there are no trophies for mentoring a student, visiting a sick kid, being a respected and beloved part of the LSU community, and so forth.

So, stop expecting LSU football to be something it is not. It's an amateur sporting endeavor that represents a State University, not a pro football franchise.

There are a few college football programs that have the same demands that are placed on an NFL team, but, LSU is not one of those programs.
Posted by SJS101
Member since Oct 2007
2795 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 11:25 am to
quote:

chilge1


quote:

2008 - 2011


So you admit 2011 to present has been a dumpster fire then
Posted by chunk
UNDER YOUR BED
Member since Jan 2007
5126 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 11:28 am to
Dude so you are going to copy and paste this long response on multiple threads now.
Posted by LSUANDY25
Frisco
Member since Dec 2012
3087 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 11:28 am to
1 because he's a good coach and has survived 11 years and has already won more than most. What makes u think he won't fix it now that he can get rid of this OC who was absolutely terrible.

2 because it's the right thing to do. 85% on an ESPN poll and most of their analysts agree he should stay. Why do think he must go now when he finally has a returning starting QB?
3 if he has similar offensive production next yr he should be terminated.
This post was edited on 11/29/15 at 11:32 am
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 11:29 am to
quote:

So you admit 2011 to present has been a dumpster fire then


Try to find a ladder so the point doesn't go over your head again.

From 2008-09 we went 17-9 (8-8), then went 24-3 (14-2) with hardware
From 2014-15 we went 17-8* (9-7), and have a deep roster for next year.

If you think the 2012-13 seasons were a dumpster fire, then go root for Alabama.

* - denotes a bowl win
Posted by SJS101
Member since Oct 2007
2795 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 11:29 am to
quote:

We may be in a similar situation to UGA and Richt. Richt is performing below what the fans expect, but not that much below it. That being said, he is exactly the kind of coach they want to represent the university. That's hard to part with.


Well I'll be damned. Richt got shitcanned.

Richt Fired
Posted by CajunAlum Tiger Fan
The Great State of Louisiana
Member since Jan 2008
7878 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 11:29 am to
You just going to paste this everywhere until someone agrees with you?

Football wins are not important at LSU as they are at other programs? That's your position?

It's about money. It's always about money.
Posted by SJS101
Member since Oct 2007
2795 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 11:34 am to
quote:

What makes u think he won't fix it now that he can get rid of this OC who was absolutely terrible.


He's hired several 'terrible' ones then. To me that shows a lack of ability to evaluate talent in coaches or that Les meddles and is actually the reason our offense is terrible. Either way, not good for my confidence moving forward

quote:

3 if he has similar offensive production next yr he should be terminated.


Fair enough
Posted by TriumphTiger
Alpharetta, GA
Member since Sep 2007
10186 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 11:35 am to
quote:

We may be in a similar situation to UGA and Richt


Spoke too soon?!?

LINK
Posted by Spankum
Miss-sippi
Member since Jan 2007
56052 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 11:38 am to
Well, as I see it, there is absolutely no point in firing your coach u less you have a reasonably good chance of getting a better coach...and at this point, the chances of that happening would be remote.

If a top quality coach becomes availBle, then you consider changes at that time....changing the course of a program should have nothing to do with emotions of a fan base, the media, the boosters or anyone else....
Posted by Champagne
Already Conquered USA.
Member since Oct 2007
48421 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 11:39 am to
quote:

It's about money. It's always about money.


I forgot to add a comment about that. You're right. It is all about money. Even a beloved head football coach would eventually be fired if the program started losing money.
But, I have no insight into LSU athletic finances. Has LSU EVER lost money in athletics? Even in the 1990s? I don't know, but I don't think so.

LSU football would make money for LSU as long as LSU football turns in winning seasons and a bowl game, that's my guess.
Posted by CajunAlum Tiger Fan
The Great State of Louisiana
Member since Jan 2008
7878 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 11:43 am to
As long as the money is coming in and tickets are sold (actual attendance doesn't really matter), there will be no pressure to make major changes.

I'm as frustrated as anyone but being negative takes far too much energy.

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