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Personal Foul - Tackle Without Helmet Question
Posted on 9/27/15 at 8:17 am
Posted on 9/27/15 at 8:17 am
I understand the call; thought it was funny it was labeled a personal foul since my perception has always been that personal fouls are something you inflict on someone else not to yourself.
Here's the definition: A fifteen-yard penalty given to a player who has committed an act of unnecessary roughness or unsportsmanlike conduct.
So it falls under unnecessary roughness?
From the same source: Examples of unnecessary roughness include a late hit after the conclusion of the play, a grasp of the facemask that turns the head of an opposing player, an illegal block on the knees of an vulnerable player, or a blow to the head of the quarterback.
No where does it say, inflict danger on yourself!
Anyway, the other part is that Neal clearly appeared confused and unaware of the existence of that penalty.
Here's the definition: A fifteen-yard penalty given to a player who has committed an act of unnecessary roughness or unsportsmanlike conduct.
So it falls under unnecessary roughness?
From the same source: Examples of unnecessary roughness include a late hit after the conclusion of the play, a grasp of the facemask that turns the head of an opposing player, an illegal block on the knees of an vulnerable player, or a blow to the head of the quarterback.
No where does it say, inflict danger on yourself!
Anyway, the other part is that Neal clearly appeared confused and unaware of the existence of that penalty.
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Posted on 9/27/15 at 8:18 am to Tiger Khan
I agree. it is stupid to call it a personal foul. name it something else.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 8:19 am to Tiger Khan
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unsportsmanlike conduct.
This would likely be where it falls as they are emphasizing player safety. This includes your own safety. Hence why they also don't allow running backs to spear defenders in the open field.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 8:20 am to Tiger Khan
I'd guess it falls under unsportsmanlike conduct.
When your helmet comes off it is the same foul if the other team engages you. To protect the players and keep the rule fair the player who lost their helmet has to disengage from the play immediately.
When your helmet comes off it is the same foul if the other team engages you. To protect the players and keep the rule fair the player who lost their helmet has to disengage from the play immediately.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 8:20 am to Tiger Khan
you're thinking too much into.
It's a personal foul because the player commits a penalty that is a non football infraction. It's just labeled under that grouping.
It's a personal foul because the player commits a penalty that is a non football infraction. It's just labeled under that grouping.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 8:20 am to spslayto
Should be an illegal participation penalty instead and it shouldn't be 15 damn yards. What a stupid penalty.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 8:21 am to inthebr
How did his helmet come to be off? I dont remember them showing a replay.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 8:22 am to inthebr
Ok so check this out:
What is Unsportsmanlike Conduct?
An illegal action in football where after a play is over, when the ball is not in play, a player may make inappropriate contact, gestures or say something inappropriate to an opposing player or official.
It still doesn't fit the definition.
What is Unsportsmanlike Conduct?
An illegal action in football where after a play is over, when the ball is not in play, a player may make inappropriate contact, gestures or say something inappropriate to an opposing player or official.
It still doesn't fit the definition.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 8:23 am to Lester Earl
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It's a personal foul because the player commits a penalty that is a non football infraction.
I like the illegal participation label better.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 8:23 am to spslayto
I think they justify it being unnecessary roughness bc his helmet came off and he put himself back into the play unnecessarily allowing himself to be injured (roughness)
I agree, stupid name for that particular action.
Seems it's a rule made for the players safety and rather than creating a name for another penalty, they jumbled it in to fall under an existing name
I agree, stupid name for that particular action.
Seems it's a rule made for the players safety and rather than creating a name for another penalty, they jumbled it in to fall under an existing name
Posted on 9/27/15 at 8:24 am to offshoretrash
Stupid penalties all day long. How about end of tcu game? Wow!
Posted on 9/27/15 at 8:26 am to Tiger Khan
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I like the illegal participation label better.
not saying that isnt a better title, but that would signify a different yardage variation on the markoff.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 8:27 am to Lester Earl
Here is my complaint about the rule
In every game at every level some players choose to not use leg pads, half the players on the field don't use a mouth piece. And I can promise you they have players that choose to use undersized shoulder pads....so why not call a penalty on all this if they want the players to be as safe as possible. The helmet rule is like a seat belt law, if I want to make a tackle without a helmet then that is my decision.
In every game at every level some players choose to not use leg pads, half the players on the field don't use a mouth piece. And I can promise you they have players that choose to use undersized shoulder pads....so why not call a penalty on all this if they want the players to be as safe as possible. The helmet rule is like a seat belt law, if I want to make a tackle without a helmet then that is my decision.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 8:28 am to offshoretrash
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Should be an illegal participation penalty instead and it shouldn't be 15 damn yards. What a stupid penalty.
Blame all of the lawsuits in the pros. It's frustrating because we've seen time and time again where guys purposely try and rip helmets off to take another player out of the game.
The reason it is 15 yards is to make the penalty harsh enough to emphasize the seriousness of the potential head injuries.
This post was edited on 9/27/15 at 8:32 am
Posted on 9/27/15 at 8:30 am to Tiger Khan
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An illegal action in football where after a play is over,
By rule, once your helmet comes off the play is over for you.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 8:30 am to Lester Earl
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not saying that isnt a better title, but that would signify a different yardage variation on the markoff.
Yeah I get it.
How about this variety carries a 15 yard penalty:
"Illegal Participation - Without A Helmet"
Anyway, It's not like that happens often. But remember this play? It would now be a penalty!
Posted on 9/27/15 at 8:30 am to Tiger Khan
Obvious foul call is personal. You can personally injure your person. We don't want you to hurt yourself so you're going to be flagged for attempting to personally injure yourself.
Morris Bart
Morris Bart
Posted on 9/27/15 at 8:31 am to Lester Earl
quote:You can leave it 15 yards but just call it something else.
not saying that isnt a better title, but that would signify a different yardage variation on the markoff.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 8:32 am to Tiger Khan
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By rule, once your helmet comes off the play is over for you.
Yes, that makes sense.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 8:35 am to Bosethus68
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In every game at every level some players choose to not use leg pads, half the players on the field don't use a mouth piece. And I can promise you they have players that choose to use undersized shoulder pads....so why not call a penalty on all this if they want the players to be as safe as possible. The helmet rule is like a seat belt law, if I want to make a tackle without a helmet then that is my decision.
it's all about the head, baw
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