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re: Per Scott McKay Facebook post, LSU compliance department scuttles reinstatement of Wade...

Posted on 3/18/19 at 8:50 pm to
Posted by ellessuuuu
Member since Sep 2004
8534 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 8:50 pm to
Agreed. Don't see how they defendants actually get Wade on the stand. The are trying to use Wade's testimony to tell an everybody does it voluntarily narrative, but that's not a defense to these crimes, so it's irrelevant.
Posted by GeorgeReymond
Buckhead
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 3/18/19 at 8:51 pm to
Good article. Thanks for sharing
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
64739 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 8:51 pm to
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Same goes for witness questioning. I would be surprised if anything came out implicating Wade in any wrongdoing. I doubt the judge will just give the defense a free-for-all and allow them to grill witnesses about unrelated matters.


Agreed. I've been saying as much since the announcement of the subpoena. Regardless of what new leaks have occurred since, that doesn't change whether or not any of it is relevant to the criminal proceedings. If they are not on trial for bribing Will Wade, I have no idea how they plan on asserting his conversations with Dawkins are relevant to the defense of the underlying charges. Anyone can be issued a subpoena, but that doesn't mean his testimony will follow through without objection. I am curious as to the scheduling order as it pertains to pre-trial Motions. I've said I'd expect to see a Motion to Quash Wade's subpoena filed by the federal prosecutors or Wade's attorneys, but I guess we'll see on that end.

But you're absolutely right, a federal judge isn't going to allow his courtroom and these proceedings turn into a circus like the defense wants. It's just not the proper forum and judges don't typically allow that to happen.
This post was edited on 3/18/19 at 8:52 pm
Posted by Philippines4LSU
Member since May 2018
8789 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 9:34 pm to
Looks like you were right from the beginning.

quote:

that he’s not actually going to have to testify in this case, that the seemingly-damning remarks on the transcript released by Yahoo! Sports are selective and paint the exchange between him and Christian Dawkins (who was not a middleman for Smart, and with whom Wade maintains he’s never actually done any business other than occasionally talking shop) in a light which doesn’t reflect reality, and that this will all eventually blow over.


LINK


And FWIW, I did see some of your earlier comments and found them quite informative.


** lsufball19 called this back when the Yahoo story broke, just to provide context for this post.
This post was edited on 3/18/19 at 10:01 pm
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
64739 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 9:47 pm to
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And FWIW, I did see some of your earlier comments and found them quite informative.


I may come off as a contrarian sometimes, but I try to take emotion out of things like this, read up on the story, and see both sides before taking a position one way or another. I think a lot of emotional reactions occur on here right after a news story breaks and assumptions get made, not necessarily intentionally, but that are just unwarranted when all the facts aren't understood or available yet. I still stand by my position that Wade made a boo boo in talking to Dawkins in the first place. But, in fairness, I don't think it would ever be a reasonable expectation that dude's phone was wire-tapped either. That's not exactly the status quo of reasonable expectations when dealing with street agents

However, as far as the legal stuff, I've always thought the subpoena was not going to be as spectacular as the masses wanted or feared it would be. There's just nothing there that I see as being, in any way, relevant to the proceedings. So, if the NCAA hopes to get their evidence on a silver platter to hammer Wade and/or LSU, it isn't going to be in Court.

One question I do have, however, as it's outside my field, is whether the FBI can legally release phone conversations obtained through a wire-tap of an non-consenting third party (Wade) through an FOIA request if said conversations are deemed inadmissible and not made part of the official record. I just don't know how that would jive with privacy rights.

In any other arena, one party has to consent to the conversation for it not to be an invasion of privacy, in most states that is. I don't believe there are any states that require no consenting parties but there are states that require both parties to consent. I'm also not sure what state's laws would govern (calls, I assume, were between parties in two different states).

But my question really is...are these laws effectively rendered void for Wade if the feds had a warrant to effectively waive Dawkins' rights to have his phone calls wire-tapped? I just don't know the answer to that and honestly don't have the time to go down a westlaw rabbiot hole to figure it out. If the NCAA can't get recordings of those calls due to privacy rights Wade has, I think they're going to be left holding their dicks as long as our compliance department doesn't go on a power trip.
This post was edited on 3/18/19 at 9:50 pm
Posted by coachgeaux
Shreveport
Member since Nov 2017
191 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 9:51 pm to
So which organization would you rather be the compliance person at: LSU Athletics or OLOL?
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
64739 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 9:54 pm to
quote:

So which organization would you rather be the compliance person at: LSU Athletics or OLOL?

right now, fricking neither. Both need to clean house and LSU needs to hire an actual attorney with previous extensive experience as in-house counsel for a respected major corporation. They would be very expensive, as guys with jobs like that are paid well, but it would be well worth it instead of having someone who only has experience in athletic admin work and a 4 year degree in a liberal arts major.
Posted by ninthward
Boston, MA
Member since May 2007
20421 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 9:54 pm to
quote:

So which organization would you rather be the compliance person at: LSU Athletics or OLOL?
How about the one that operates in the best interest of LSU and not their ego.
Posted by Hayden Fox
Minnesota
Member since Dec 2008
86 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 9:57 pm to
These folks need to be able to stand their ground with a regulatory agency. This is done all day every day in private industry and the public sector. Yes, when you’re wrong you’re wrong but even if you are you still fight for fair treatment from said regulator.
Posted by coachgeaux
Shreveport
Member since Nov 2017
191 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 10:00 pm to
quote:


Per Scott McKay Facebook post, LSU compliance department scuttles reinstatement of Wade...
These folks need to be able to stand their ground with a regulatory agency. This is done all day every day in private industry and the public sector. Yes, when you’re wrong you’re wrong but even if you are you still fight for fair treatment from said regulator.



I am not sure private industry guys have 2 active FBI investigation on their door step "every day". I think most would be soiling their britches.
Posted by RedPop4
Santiago de Compostela
Member since Jan 2005
14409 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 10:04 pm to
Wooo

That is a damn strong commentary from Scott McKay.
Posted by Philippines4LSU
Member since May 2018
8789 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 10:06 pm to


I remember when you called this back when the Yahoo story broke.

Credit where due.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
64739 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 10:13 pm to
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I remember when you called this back when the Yahoo story broke.

I also addressed the outright absurdity of the defense calling Wade in the first place, who would only make sense as a witness for the prosecution. So, just so we're clear, they are calling an adverse witness in a criminal proceeding. Adverse witnesses have their place sometimes, but it is rare, and even rarer in a criminal setting

quote:

At the end of the day, Wade is probably right about his role in that trial. After the mess the leak of those transcripts has made of his job and his program, and at this point it’s positively not resolved if any of it can be fixed to either the coach or LSU’s satisfaction, it’s difficult to see how Will Wade is going to be much of a friendly witness for Christian Dawkins’ attorneys if and when he shows up to the federal court in New York. What lawyer is going to call a witness with a grudge against his client if he doesn’t have to?


I'm beginning to think defense counsel only subpoenaed Wade for the media shitstorm they knew would follow, not because they actually intended on calling him.
This post was edited on 3/18/19 at 10:16 pm
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56547 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 11:20 pm to
quote:

If LSU goes against the recommendation of the compliance department, it would look really bad to the NCAA.



The NCAA would not be privy to this information.

But, that's not to say we shouldn't heed the advice of our compliance department. While most fans are frustrated by it, it's times like this when they are valuable.

Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56547 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 11:22 pm to
quote:

Compliance does not absolutely have to have an adversarial relationship with the athletic programs.

It can function in a way that actually benefits the university while still performing their essential job duties.

LSU should start from scratch and hire a compliance director from a major healthcare company and allow actual professionals to install a culture in compliance that is mutually beneficial


I agree 100%.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56547 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 11:31 pm to
quote:

yeah, if I'm LSU I hire someone with extensive experience as in-house counsel for a major company, you know someone with compliance legal expertise


agree

quote:

not simply a former college athlete who has worked in the athletic department her entire adult life.




really agree
Posted by 19
Flux Capacitor, Fluxing
Member since Nov 2007
33190 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 11:33 pm to
quote:

Why can't they happen to just "meet" while WW is going to his office to "get a book or something"???


fricking this.

Where's the back-channel Kennedy/Khrushchev '60s shite.
I mean, frick, LSU.
Posted by GeeOH
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2013
13376 posts
Posted on 3/19/19 at 10:20 am to
quote:

Yeah, that's not accurate. The only people who have that are the FBI and the defense counsel in that case (who selectively leaked out portions to a blogger). The reality is the NCAA and LSU will likely never get the tapes. The best way to get them is if they are admitted into evidence in the trial in April, and I just don't see how these tapes are relevant to the crimes these defendants are accused of committing. Other than that, I'm not sure the FBI hands out copies o


Understood. Obviously, if he didnt ever have those conversations, he would run to whoever he could and say "its not me on thise tapes, ive never spoken a word like that" To my knowledge, he has not denied it since the information broke. From what i remember, Yshoo has been pretty accurate when breaking stories like this.
Posted by memphis tiger
Memphis, TN
Member since Feb 2006
20720 posts
Posted on 3/19/19 at 11:22 am to
Can anyone explain how and why the compliance department has any say at all who attends this meeting?

If they aren’t invited tough shite.
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