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re: People that wanted CPM fired need to be banned
Posted on 4/9/17 at 11:26 pm to lsufball19
Posted on 4/9/17 at 11:26 pm to lsufball19
quote:in spending?
there's not a discernible difference between LSU and a several teams in this conference alone
lsu spends more and it's not even close
there's not only a discernable difference, there's a huge difference.
so you think expecting lsu to be the most competitive team in omaha over a 7 year period is unrealistic? my gosh what is your standard for the program then?
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Posted on 4/9/17 at 11:37 pm to lsufball19
quote:and by "dick" i'm assuming you mean championships which, yet again, is NOT the standard that anyone is using that i have seen in any thread. being competitive in omaha is not in any way unrealistic for elite programs.
best recruiting in the country over the past 5 years, absolute dick to show for it
quote:still has as good of a cws record as mainieri
missed NCAAT 2/4 years as TTU's coach
quote:still has a better record in omaha as mainieri and is currently ahead of lsu in the standings.
missed the NCAAT last season, Mainieri absolutely owns him
quote:and is DESTROYING mainieri at the cws. won it all 4 years ago.
(has missed the NCAAT 2 of the last 3 seasons)
quote:better than mainieri at the cws. is currently ranked higher.
(missed the NCAAT the past 2 seasons)
quote:"maybe."
maybe O'Sullivan
quote:my word. you apparently don't understand win/loss records. mainieri might not have had the lows that tadlock, savage and fox have had, but they are absolutely doing more with less. i'm not sure you can be reasoned with.
The others, you're out of your mind
quote:unc doesn't spend NEARLY what lsu does. they don't have near the resources/facilities that lsu does. they don't have near the fan support or exposure. you're not comparing apples to apples. fox, with less, is winning more in omaha and is currently ranked ahead of lsu. but go on rationalizing.
Had he missed the NCAAT 2 straight seasons like Fox at UNC
Posted on 4/9/17 at 11:39 pm to bfniii
quote:
over a 7 year period is unrealistic?
again, why 7? why not 10?
Posted on 4/9/17 at 11:43 pm to bfniii
quote:
and by "dick" i'm assuming you mean championships which, yet again, is NOT the standard that anyone is using that i have seen in any thread. being competitive in omaha is not in any way unrealistic for elite programs.
3-8 is not competitive in Omaha
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still has as good of a cws record as mainieri
but he hasn't maintained consistent success
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still has a better record in omaha as mainieri and is currently ahead of lsu in the standings.
but he hasn't maintained consistent success
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and is DESTROYING mainieri at the cws. won it all 4 years ago.
but he hasn't maintained consistent success
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better than mainieri at the cws. is currently ranked higher.
but he hasn't maintained consistent success
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my word. you apparently don't understand win/loss records. mainieri might not have had the lows that tadlock, savage and fox have had, but they are absolutely doing more with less. i'm not sure you can be reasoned with.
I understand win/loss records perfectly. I just use more than one metric to value a coach than record in Omaha over 7 seasons. If you have a couple good runs in Omaha but shite the bed in a few other seasons, that does not make you a better coach than someone having his team consistently in the top 10
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unc doesn't spend NEARLY what lsu does. they don't have near the resources/facilities that lsu does. they don't have near the fan support or exposure. you're not comparing apples to apples. fox, with less, is winning more in omaha and is currently ranked ahead of lsu. but go on rationalizing.
you don't need a lot of money to build a great college baseball program. sure it helps, but it is not like football in that regard
Posted on 4/9/17 at 11:55 pm to poncho villa
quote:why not? it bumps him up some on the cws results list, gives him an aging nc and doesn't fix what's happened since. i'm sure that's good enough for you though because heck, he made it to omaha.
why not 10?
Posted on 4/10/17 at 12:07 am to lsufball19
quote:um, look at everyone else's records. it most certainly is. in fact, only 5 active coaches have been better. how in the world is that NOT competitive?
3-8 is not competitive in Omaha
quote:did that work for miles? why do you think it didn't?
but he hasn't maintained consistent success
quote:therein lies the problem. the cws is by far the most important measure for elite programs and it's not even close. "consistent success" is for programs who don't spend well over 3mil per year.
I just use more than one metric to value a coach than record in Omaha over 7 seasons
quote:see, this sounds good but, it fails to factor in context, i.e. that lsu spends more than everyone else. it makes a huge difference in how the programs should be evaluated. also, being ranked in the top 10 in a sport that has a postseason playoff is meaningless. winning in omaha is where the rubber meets the road.
If you have a couple good runs in Omaha but shite the bed in a few other seasons, that does not make you a better coach than someone having his team consistently in the top 10
quote:yeah but if you're spending more than everyone else, it is not unreasonable to expect that your team is better more often than not. that hasn't been the case.
you don't need a lot of money to build a great college baseball program
Posted on 4/10/17 at 12:11 am to bfniii
quote:Miles wasn't even in the same ballpark since 2011 as Mainieri
did that work for miles? why do you think it didn't?
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the cws is by far the most important measure for elite programs and it's not even close.
it's one measure but not the only measure
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it fails to factor in context,
you mean like posting an Omaha record over 7 years
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being ranked in the top 10 in a sport that has a postseason playoff is meaningless.
in your opinion, maybe
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yeah but if you're spending more than everyone else, it is not unreasonable to expect that your team is better more often than not.
in your opinion, sure
Posted on 4/10/17 at 6:09 am to lsufball19
I wore my National Championship shirt the other day, the one when LSU last won it all in baseball... the letters are cracking and starting to peel off due to age. Fire CPM!!
Posted on 4/10/17 at 6:21 am to lsufball19
quote:
the cws is by far the most important measure for elite programs and it's not even close.
it's one measure but not the only measure
No its not the only measure....but it is the most important. The fact that you're implying it isnt speaks volumes.
quote:
yeah but if you're spending more than everyone else, it is not unreasonable to expect that your team is better more often than not.
in your opinion, sure
No...wrong again meathead. The bar should be raised for LSU in light of the funds designated for baseball each year. If you're to proclaim your program as elite, and spend a commensurate amount of money to attain that status, then then the results need to reflect this level of commitment. They haven't in recent years.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 6:37 am to Live2CTigersWin
Yes, after all this board must fashion itself after the Democrats model of free speech.
That is, "You can say anything you want as long as you agree with the party line."
That is, "You can say anything you want as long as you agree with the party line."
Posted on 4/10/17 at 7:51 am to Live2CTigersWin
What's the overall opinion of coach Mike Martin at FSU. Top 2 or three ever in total wins, but what has FSU really accomplished in 25 years?
Would you compare CPM to him? CPM does have a ring. Still both places should have more trophies in the case than they currently do.
To say CPM isn't successful is obviously wrong. The thing is you have a lot to like about the current program, and can anyone be sure they can absolutely improve upon what's already there.
When people talk about firing coaches I often ask, are you 100% sure you can get better, and are you sure you can't do worse?
Would you compare CPM to him? CPM does have a ring. Still both places should have more trophies in the case than they currently do.
To say CPM isn't successful is obviously wrong. The thing is you have a lot to like about the current program, and can anyone be sure they can absolutely improve upon what's already there.
When people talk about firing coaches I often ask, are you 100% sure you can get better, and are you sure you can't do worse?
Posted on 4/10/17 at 7:53 am to lsufball19
quote:
Mainieri has more wins the last 5 years than any coach in the country
Great.....how man of those were CWS wins? Yea, pilgrum, thats what I thought.
quote:
"Nah you don't understand dude, it's been 8 years since we won a national title. Mainieri sucks."
No, its been 8 years since we made any kind of real noise in the post season. You ok with that? Sorry, I'm not.
You don't get to be as big of a prick as CPM and routinely throw your players under the bus without producing some serious results...which he hasn't done.
Why do you think Bama gives Saban a pass for being one colossal jerk? Because he wins at the highest levels routinely.
Got it "dude?"
Posted on 4/10/17 at 7:56 am to RedTigerRulz
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Yup right there with u. One series win and the paulie disciples are fapping relentlessly. This series win was like the AM game that saved Les. Still a lot of problems surrounding this team.
But, to be fair, this was a great series win and the natives may not be as restless for a little bit now
So bashing a coach is fine if you're doing it? Hypocrite much?
Posted on 4/10/17 at 8:17 am to Rickdaddy4188
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So bashing a coach is fine if you're doing it? Hypocrite much?
My bashing was aimed more at the Pawl boys who think one series win has cured all our ills.
Do I still think Pawl needs to go? Mostly yes, but I'm willing to wait to the end of the year to see how it plays out.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 8:21 am to RedTigerRulz
quote:
My bashing was aimed more at the Pawl boys who think one series win has cured all our ills.
Do I still think Pawl needs to go? Mostly yes, but I'm willing to wait to the end of the year to see how it plays out.
So just like I think lsu posters shouldnt make fun of coaches when we have Ed Orgeron as a head coach.
Also I've never made a personal attack towards you no matter how much I disagree with you. We cordially disagree on things. I hope it stays that way buddy.
This post was edited on 4/10/17 at 8:22 am
Posted on 4/10/17 at 8:24 am to Rickdaddy4188
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I hope it stays that way buddy.
It will Rick. We can disagree and call each other out, but I've never had a personal ax to grind with you. In the end we both want the same thing.
Now go read read my retort on the Les thread!!!!!
Posted on 4/14/17 at 12:25 am to lsufball19
quote:the principle is the same and i noted that you dodged the question
Miles wasn't even in the same ballpark since 2011 as Mainieri
quote:no, it's pretty much the only measure that counts
it's one measure but not the only measure
quote:i mean like other programs having better records despite spending less and not being on the same level as lsu in terms of the investment
you mean like posting an Omaha record over 7 years
quote:no, that's a fact
in your opinion, maybe
quote:now, this is DEFINITELY not an "opinion"
in your opinion, sure
Posted on 4/14/17 at 12:28 am to Jp1LSU
quote:this is not at all how coaching searches are conducted. it's a ridiculous standard and if it were really followed in real life, coaches would RARELY get fired
When people talk about firing coaches I often ask, are you 100% sure you can get better, and are you sure you can't do worse?
Posted on 4/14/17 at 12:29 am to Live2CTigersWin
So dumb
Posted on 4/21/17 at 6:29 pm to MorbidTheClown
opinions don't have to be said if they work against your team , recruiting depends on a positive atmosphere around a team in college, recruiting is every thing !
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