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re: Our DBs will look different moving forward.

Posted on 1/12/22 at 9:59 am to
Posted by bignic26
West Monroe
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 1/12/22 at 9:59 am to
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We’ll probably pursue more physical larger DBs that play the run and are good in zone (like the DB we just got from UL) verse the quick twitch athletes that we’re use to at CB like Peterson, Stingley etc.


So you're saying LSU is going to pass on Corners like Patrick Peterson and Derek Stingley and pursue more physical, larger players? Lol good god, how big will these Corners be? Peterson and Stingley weren't exactly mighty mites. They were pretty well built.

Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 1/12/22 at 10:14 am to
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We’ll probably pursue more physical larger DBs that play the run and are good in zone (like the DB we just got from UL) verse the quick twitch athletes that we’re use to at CB like Peterson, Stingley etc.


So basically you are saying we will recruit players over 6' just like peterson and stingley are?

Posted by FreddieMac
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 1/12/22 at 10:54 am to
I do not know enough Xs and Os to know if this is a good or bad thing, but I do know that if you give Bryce Young and Bama receivers easy 5 yard completions, they will take that all day long and kill you. You have to contest the catch with some of these elite WRs. You may lose and get burned, but if you do not have CBs that run with WRs one on one, they will take the top off you every game. Landry was a enforcer safety, not a CB. If we do not have quick twitch athletes at CB, we are screwed.

Look at what happened to UGA in the SEC Championship game. They play a lot of zone coverage like you are suggesting and a health Bama took the top off that defense.
This post was edited on 1/12/22 at 10:56 am
Posted by NOSA
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 1/12/22 at 10:57 am to
So UGA plays a lot of zone, had a great defense this year, won the title, have a great defensive head coach that learned under Saban forever, and a DC that just got hired to be Oregon's coach, but I'm supposed to be concerned about zone defense?

Good defense is about getting pressure regardless of what you're doing on the back end of it.
This post was edited on 1/12/22 at 11:01 am
Posted by DallasTiger45
Member since May 2012
8440 posts
Posted on 1/12/22 at 11:16 am to
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Good defense is about getting pressure regardless of what you're doing on the back end of it.


No doubt.

I also have an issue with people making “zone vs man” a black and white thing

You can be aggressive and physical at the LOS in zone. You can be passive and soft in man coverage

We will play both zone and man, as almost every good defense does. You want to be able to adapt to different offenses and schemes. Any defense that can only do one thing is kinda screwed when the competition is elite. That’s why Aranda was so good. Mixed up coverages and fronts. Did a good job disguising them and put his elite talent at a schematic advantage

From everything I’ve read and heard about House, it seems like he knows his stuff too.
Posted by DallasTiger45
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 1/12/22 at 11:18 am to
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So UGA plays a lot of zone, had a great defense this year, won the title, have a great defensive head coach that learned under Saban forever, and a DC that just got hired to be Oregon's coach, but I'm supposed to be concerned about zone defense?


Saban also plays a fair amount of zone or combo coverage. And his man defenses often aren’t traditional “this defender follows this guy everyone”
Posted by Tigers4Lyfe
Member since Nov 2010
4517 posts
Posted on 1/12/22 at 3:07 pm to
That Legion of Boom defense was the brain child of Dan Quinn. Look what he's done with the Cowboys defense. What a turn around from last year and leading the league in turnovers.
This post was edited on 1/12/22 at 3:08 pm
Posted by lsufb1912
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2021
5965 posts
Posted on 1/12/22 at 3:16 pm to
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Given that's what Arky ran I believe this.


So, what's the story with Arkansas DB's entering the portal? They've had 5 jump in over the past month. Glad to see that we might scoop up 2 of them.
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
13078 posts
Posted on 1/12/22 at 3:47 pm to
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So, what's the story with Arkansas DB's entering the portal? They've had 5 jump in over the past month. Glad to see that we might scoop up 2 of them.


We had over 90 players on scholly and was only losing 8-9 to NFL or graduation. So we had to cut our roster by around 15-20 players to sign our class and sign some transfers in needed areas.

We had 3 dbs that were not playing and buried on the depth chart.

Foucha and Brooks were being pushed for playing time by younger more athletic players. I think we are trying to get taller rangy dbs that will give us more options in coverage.
This post was edited on 1/12/22 at 3:48 pm
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
12945 posts
Posted on 1/12/22 at 4:56 pm to
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I do not know enough Xs and Os to know if this is a good or bad thing, but I do know that if you give Bryce Young and Bama receivers easy 5 yard completions, they will take that all day long and kill you. You have to contest the catch with some of these elite WRs. You may lose and get burned, but if you do not have CBs that run with WRs one on one, they will take the top off you every game. Landry was a enforcer safety, not a CB. If we do not have quick twitch athletes at CB, we are screwed.

Look at what happened to UGA in the SEC Championship game. They play a lot of zone coverage like you are suggesting and a health Bama took the top off that defense.
Good QBs will pick a zone apart. Even if you manage to pressure them. The key is to confuse their eyes/brains so they can't process as fast and allow that pressure to get home, at least enough to affect their feet or throws. So while pressure is always a must, think of it as setting the upper limit on their mental clock. Confusing them with coverages sets the minimum by defining who and where they can release the ball to. Remember, in zone coverage receivers stop/slow routes in space where in man coverage they continue the routes ahead of coverage. So their target will also behave differently thus changing their passes.

So the first deception most DCs try to do is show one (man) but drop out in the other. It can go either way. That's why you see the ball hiked immediately after a motion. D's will try to show you man by going with the motion man and then immediately change responsibilities and rotate coverages without moving personnel thus becoming a zone. If there's no time between the motion and the snap a D will not have time to communicate that call OR risk significant blown coverages.

This also changes your OLs protection often. If in man you can move a potential blitzer further away where he becomes a non-factor for the play call. If he won't move they likely just tipped their hand. If in zone the OL has to guess who is coming and adjust at the snap. So showing zone has advantages for the pressure, but disadvantages for the back 7.

This is where "multiple" and "hybrid" defenses come from. Sometimes it is as simple as showing one but playing another. A true hybrid will have some (front 4 + 1, for example) playing zone because it confuses protection more often, and the remaining 6 (or 7) show zone but swap to man. That way if they try overloads or floods to defeat a zone (which is what they saw) you'll end up with too many receivers and too many cover guys (because it was really man coverage) in one area.

And never forget: against a QB who runs, zone is always better because their eyes are to the LoS in the back 7. That's why Dak ate our lunch (and Welter). So once again, showing man (where that QB knows he has a better chance to run if needed if he sees green) and then playing zone (where he's got at least 7 eyes on him) tricked him mentally by changing what he mentally prepared for on that play vs. what he actually faced post-snap.
This post was edited on 1/12/22 at 5:02 pm
Posted by Sebourne Klein
Member since Aug 2021
576 posts
Posted on 1/12/22 at 5:04 pm to
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Our DBs will look different moving forward.


They will actually PLAY at least 3 years?
Posted by Sissidog02
Member since Jan 2020
5365 posts
Posted on 1/12/22 at 5:05 pm to
Hey Lou Tepper wrote a Book dammit
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