re: Orgeron gets ZERO blame for current OL and QB situation

Agree with you 100% on all of this. Ogeron not only lied about letting his coordinators call the game but he watched Miles get fired for doing exactly that. I dunno about you but I think our season is totally different if Canada was allowed to run his offense free and clear of Ogerons involvement. We would probly be undefeated or at least only a close loss to State had he kept his word. For that he gets no slack and if it doesn't change he'll be fired. Grimes is horrible he's the one who put the idea if having 5 run blocking guards on the field in Miles head. He should've been the first guy canned in all of this. Miles first oline cycle included Joe Barksdale and Ciron Black, one is an NFL veteran starter and the other started and anchored the national title team as a true freshman at LSU. So the trend of Miles not recruiting top tackles wasn't always the case for him it was Grimes who started this. Miles deserves blame because ultimately it was his decision but Miles isn't our problem anymore Grimes is.

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Miles deserves blame because ultimately it was his decision but Miles isn't our problem anymore Grimes is.

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While I agree Grimes is a problem he is number three or four on our list of problems. We have no DL coach. Our receivers coach from practice reports just stands there like a statue not uttering a word. Our shadow staff special teams guy is the only person around the program besides tug boat that has a worse record than O. Then you have a head coach that’s being schooled by a guy that quit on the only job he had to search for a coach. This program is in a world of hurt so let’s anchor this thread so it just goes away like our proud football program.

P.S. I did not mention the 12 three stars we have stolen from Alabama in recruiting.

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grow up, learn to read between the lines

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Maybe O shouldn't have lost 3 OL. It's concerning. You can spin it the way you want.

The production is there so I'm not complaining about the Dline. When you have people like Greg Gilmore and Christian Locature giving you much more than guys like Freak Johnson and Danielle Hunter did that speaks to your coaching ability. Coach O might stink as a head coach but he and Pete are great Dline coaches.

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Greg Gilmore and Christian Locature giving you much more than guys like Freak Johnson and Danielle Hunte

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none of the players you listed were near as prodcutive as Hunter in his last year here.

he absolutely shut down the run to his side. he had 70 + tackles( 3rd most of any dlineman)from the de position.


Hunter last year production

73 tackles
13.5 tfl
1.5 sacks
6 pass def
1 forced fumble
1 fumble recovery


none of the guys you mentioned comes close to that.

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Returning from a crew that couldn’t open holes for Fournette.

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he broke the lsu single game rushing record while barely being touched.

lsu led the country in YARDS BEFORE CONTACT.


you can say what you want about there pass pro but their run blocking was elite.
we had no passing threat and we still finished 3rd in the country yards per carry.

I'm just amazed at how people labeled our 2016 oline as bad when we had 3 different Lineman make an all sec team( the most in the sec) and a rimington award finalist.

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Yet the three new freshmen offensive lineman O brought in all zoomed ahead of the backups

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none of those committed under O.

and that has frickall to do with 2016 oline

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Nonetheless, we are very lucky O brought those players in or we would be in even worst shape today than we've been

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none of those recruits committed under O

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Of course, you morons would have blamed it all on O anyway.

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we blame him because he is program destroying entity.

you think he was unjustly fired at ole miss after having the worst tenure ever at a program full of shite tenures.


face it. for 90% of O's career, no one wanted him at anything but dline.

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One thing you can't reasonably criticize about Oregon is the class he put together last year. 

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agreed.

the only gripe is losing all those in state guys.

I see you conveniently left Anthony Johnson out lol. Both Gilmore and Locature have more sacks already than Hunter did that year and it's only halfway threw. You throw in the total Dline and Olb production compared to the years before and it's not close. You have a guy who's a double digit sack guy in the NFL bit can't get 2 in a season here. If you think Brick Haley is in the same world as Pete Jenkins or Ogeron as a Dline coach you're an idiot. As far as the Oline stats they're on football outsiders.com they do it by adjusted metrics which doesn't give a power 5 team credit for running it up on the sisters of the poor. It's an equal footing statistical ranking and LSUs line ranked 47th last year by all metrics. Of course you are judged in reality by including weak teams you play so I wouldn't say just because that's where they ranked by metrics is their true ranking but it's nowhere near tops in the country like you're claiming.

We lost a lot more talent this year than in 07. 08 returning starters(15), returning starters this year (7) so it's not even close. Plus the best running back in school history by a wide margin and maybe the best safety. You can take the entire group we lost in 07 and they wouldn't equal our first round picks from last year. Dorsey is the only one even close.