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re: On keeping the Quarterback that has won us every game this year.
Posted on 9/12/10 at 12:35 pm to Festus
Posted on 9/12/10 at 12:35 pm to Festus
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Man up, and don't pussy out. Be specific, how long should JJ be given to "develop"?
Good lord, man. I don't have answers to everything. You don't either, in case you were wondering. I already said put JJ in if it shuts up the morons. I don't think either will put the team on his back, which is fine. We have superstars in other areas, and as long as we lean on them, I wouldn't care if you were quarterback. I know that based on the body of work, you can't rank the two options with any sort of confidence.
And you calling for JJ to be starter implies confidence in him, unless you don't and have motives to want LSU to be unsuccessful.
I can almost guarantee that if JL starts, and sucks (which I doubt he would do), you be in the group calling him out and wanting another change.
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Posted on 9/12/10 at 12:35 pm to TheDoc
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they aren't going to get rid of him
he just looks like he needs some bench time
After this week with Miles calling great plays, Jefferson has to see he is the achilles of the team. I think he performs much better next week. If he doesn't then pull him right away. This team is too talented to waste 2010 without some type of championship contention.
Posted on 9/12/10 at 12:36 pm to TyOconner
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Dont forget a world where multiple pic-sixes per game was a given.
He threw 7 pick sixes in 10 games. That's multiple ones per game?
Posted on 9/12/10 at 12:40 pm to Nuts4LSU
Not multiple ones every game but there were games with mutpiple ones. 
If that makes sense.
If that makes sense.Posted on 9/12/10 at 12:41 pm to GRTiger
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I saw a stat that last year JJ was one of the most efficient red zone quarterbacks in college football. Not to hurt your factual rant.
And this year we are one of the worst red zone teams around.
Posted on 9/12/10 at 12:42 pm to Festus
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He's a junior
Which means he should be ready. So let's give him a shot, not hold him to his freshman standards as what he can do now. They've both been thrown into battle and practiced. JJ is obviously not going to get better, no knock on him tho, the kid tries hard and wants it.
Posted on 9/12/10 at 12:43 pm to GRTiger
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And you calling for JJ to be starter implies confidence in him, unless you don't and have motives to want LSU to be unsuccessful.
Can you give me ONE link where I called for JJ to be the starter? ONE.
I am calling for the opposite. Giving JL a shot at more playing time. Why do you keep arguing this with me?
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Good lord, man. I don't have answers to everything.
Well, if you're going to reason that JJ needs more time to develop, then you should AT LEAST be able to give an opinion as to how much longer he should be given as a starter to develop, considering he's a junior.
In your opinion, assuming he shows no improvement, how many more games starting would you give him to develop?
Posted on 9/12/10 at 12:43 pm to TyOconner
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Not multiple ones every game but there were games with mutpiple ones.
One game with multiple ones. Still, you said multiple ones were a given. Clearly not right.
And besides, why is it the QBs fault that the guy who intercepts the pass returns it for a TD? The interception number (17) is a whole lot more important in the evaluation of the QB than the number that happened to be returned for TDs (7). Only about 2 of those 7 were interceptions that you normally expect to be returned for TDs.
Posted on 9/12/10 at 12:45 pm to TyOconner
Sorry, it's the lesser of two evils, or maybe more like pulling straws. JL has to get the nod to see what he can do. They both are not very good. That is just a fact. That position alone is our problem right now. Put Kellen Moore at QB and we are tough to beat. JJ was horrid and just is not progressing at all. He does not have the moxy or head to be the leader and passer we need. JL may not either. That is scary.
This post was edited on 9/12/10 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 9/12/10 at 12:46 pm to TyOconner
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First off I think Lee should see some playing time
No question he should see at least one set of downs per half, especially in a game like last night where JJ was obviously having an off night to say the least.
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Shouldn't we stay behind the QB who's winning us games?
JJ is not winning us games- The defense played outstanding last night, & our run game eventually wore out the Vandy defense, so JJ really had no part in this victory last night other than being on the field.
Posted on 9/12/10 at 12:47 pm to Nuts4LSU
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And this year we are one of the worst red zone teams around.
2 games in and we are 2-0. If the BCSCG was played in week one, it would be the most poorly played CG ever. Every team needs to knock the dust off. Practice is not games. A lot of teams drop games in the process. LSU has not.
I would say I'd hate to see the rant after a loss, given the shitty attitudes displayed after a 24 point blowout, but I think it would be more civil, since most would have that smug, content "I told you so" attitude.
You people suck.
Posted on 9/12/10 at 12:48 pm to LSUMafia
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A bunch of pick sixes 2 years ago? You realize he was a freshman, right?
You also realize Crowton put him in a horrible position and refused to adjust his playcalling, right?
Also, the defense had a lot to do with it. In 2008, if Lee didn't come out firing on all cylinders from the first snap, he would find himself down two or three TDs before he could get untracked. Think about the Florida games in '08 and '09. In '08, for the first 20-25 minutes of the game, Lee couldn't do anything with our offense. Result: we're down 20-0 and have to get desperate. In '09, for the whole game, Jefferson couldn't do anything with our offense, but he went into the 4th quarter down only 10-3. Lee never had the luxury of settling into a game and letting it come to him. He had to press hard and make plays from the first snap every game.
Posted on 9/12/10 at 12:48 pm to TyOconner
quote:It was 16 yards and rueben was glad to be able to catch a pass in stride without having to expose his ribs to a big hit.
a guy comes in and throws a little five yard pass
Posted on 9/12/10 at 12:48 pm to TyOconner
JJ has had more than enough time to develop and what has actually happened is he has regressed. Anyone who watches LSU football and pays attention even a little should be able to give a nice little list of things that JJ simply can not do. He is extremely inaccurate , can't see the field , does not anticipate open receivers and has shown absolutely no signs of leadership. These are the most basic of his deficiencies and there are many more. I don't know how JL would do if he were given the same opportunity to "develop" that JJ has been blessed with. Why not find out ?
It's not about JL earning the right to start with "one good pass" it's about JJ losing that right through continuous sub par performances.
It's not about JL earning the right to start with "one good pass" it's about JJ losing that right through continuous sub par performances.
Posted on 9/12/10 at 12:50 pm to JLSU20
I much prefer jj starting. if it looks as bad as vandy did at halftime then I think jj has 1 or 2 series in 2nd half before jl comes in. I think our d can hold any team for the first half and so I don't want to see jl throw a bad pic in first half.
Posted on 9/12/10 at 12:51 pm to GRTiger
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GRTiger
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Can you give me ONE link where I called for JJ to be the starter? ONE.
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Well, if you're going to reason that JJ needs more time to develop, then you should AT LEAST be able to give an opinion as to how much longer he should be given as a starter to develop, considering he's a junior.
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In your opinion, assuming he shows no improvement, how many more games starting would you give him to develop?
Why won't you answer specific questions, like above?
Instead, you drive by with a-hole comments that you make up, then call other posters shitty.
Answer the questions.
Posted on 9/12/10 at 12:54 pm to TyOconner
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We need that guy from Auburn under center if want a chance at the SECCG.
Posted on 9/12/10 at 12:54 pm to mad hatter champion
What happened to throwing to the tight end across the middle?...( this is qb play, or lack of, not play calling...)
Posted on 9/12/10 at 12:56 pm to Larry Hollins
The light has not come on for J.J. He can't find open receivers, and he has a hard time hitting them when he does.
Too many people blame Lee for throwing interceptions his red-shirt freshman year. Miles needs to give Lee another shot at starting.
Too many people blame Lee for throwing interceptions his red-shirt freshman year. Miles needs to give Lee another shot at starting.
Posted on 9/12/10 at 12:56 pm to Festus
I meant JL regarding confidence in him and wanting him to start. I apologize for the confusion. I forget that people here can't see an obvious error and correct in their mind, knowing what was meant.
Setting a timline is dumb. Call it pussying out, as your infintley wise mind would do. I can't know how long it takes people to master their craft, and claiming that would be dishonest. My main arguement is that either could start, and neither would blow your mind. You think differently, but that's your right.
All else being equal (ie talent and ability), which I think it basically is, I believe either could start and do the same thing, allow the play makers to win games. Neither are play makers, but both could fulfill that role.
I'm not sure why you have to create this argument in your mind and decide you win just to feel better. Have successfully justified your otherwise meaningless existence?
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Damn, less than 10 minutes? I'm sorry for not waiting on baited breaths for your witty comebacks. You should relax and enjoy your Sunday. Just to let you know, I'll probably be moving on from this thread, as it is not on my list of priorities today. You can call it pussying if you makes you happy.
Setting a timline is dumb. Call it pussying out, as your infintley wise mind would do. I can't know how long it takes people to master their craft, and claiming that would be dishonest. My main arguement is that either could start, and neither would blow your mind. You think differently, but that's your right.
All else being equal (ie talent and ability), which I think it basically is, I believe either could start and do the same thing, allow the play makers to win games. Neither are play makers, but both could fulfill that role.
I'm not sure why you have to create this argument in your mind and decide you win just to feel better. Have successfully justified your otherwise meaningless existence?
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Why won't you answer specific questions, like above?
Instead, you drive by with a-hole comments that you make up, then call other posters shitty.
Answer the questions.
Damn, less than 10 minutes? I'm sorry for not waiting on baited breaths for your witty comebacks. You should relax and enjoy your Sunday. Just to let you know, I'll probably be moving on from this thread, as it is not on my list of priorities today. You can call it pussying if you makes you happy.
This post was edited on 9/12/10 at 1:00 pm
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