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re: Ole Miss' claim of 3 national titles

Posted on 11/21/08 at 1:38 pm to
Posted by oxpatchreb
Mandeville, LA
Member since Dec 2007
866 posts
Posted on 11/21/08 at 1:38 pm to
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Wonder why?


Because we got treated the same back then in the media as you get treated now. The 'ol Rodney Dangerfield.
Posted by LooongTimeATiger
Mandeville
Member since Jul 2008
151 posts
Posted on 11/21/08 at 1:39 pm to
Not so; Lsu was #1 in both AP and UPI polls in 1958 and were unanimous NC.
Posted by WikiTiger
Member since Sep 2007
41055 posts
Posted on 11/21/08 at 1:45 pm to
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Not so; Lsu was #1 in both AP and UPI polls in 1958 and were unanimous NC.


Iowa won the FWAA title, so no, LSU was not unanimous. The FWAA poll was the only full season poll at that time, which Iowa fans argue makes it more legit. And yes, Iowa does officially claim the 1958 title.


ETA: And interesting footnote: Up until last year, LSU had never won the Grantland Rice Award.
This post was edited on 11/21/08 at 1:46 pm
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 11/21/08 at 2:18 pm to
quote:

we could claim 1908.


And 1935, 1936 and 1962, too, but...

quote:

I'm also happy, LSU doesn't resort to this sort of silliness


...Amen.
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 11/21/08 at 2:22 pm to
quote:

Care to guess who tied the Rebels in 1960, thus denying them a shot at an "undisputed" national title?

A 5-4-1 LSU team.


And Ole Miss was damned lucky to get away with a tie in that one. It ended 6-6 because we missed an extra point.
Posted by Geauxtigers468
North Gwinnett County
Member since Sep 2008
6414 posts
Posted on 11/21/08 at 2:24 pm to
quote:

Iowa does officially claim the 1958 title.


Actually No I just went through their website and it doesn't show where they claim the title in 1958.
Posted by LooongTimeATiger
Mandeville
Member since Jul 2008
151 posts
Posted on 11/21/08 at 2:58 pm to
I can assure you that the only polls that meant anything were the AP and UPI (I was there). I don't know where you are getting your information about the FWAA (whatever the hell that is), but the AP and UPI ran from preseason to end of season; sounds like full season to me.
This post was edited on 11/21/08 at 3:05 pm
Posted by WikiTiger
Member since Sep 2007
41055 posts
Posted on 11/21/08 at 2:59 pm to
quote:

Actually No I just went through their website and it doesn't show where they claim the title in 1958.


If that's the case then I apologize for misleading anyone. I was under the impression that they did officially claim it because that's what I was told by two different Iowa fans.

They do at least have the Grantland Rice Award, which I'd be willing to bet they display in their trophy case.
This post was edited on 11/21/08 at 3:01 pm
Posted by Geauxtigers468
North Gwinnett County
Member since Sep 2008
6414 posts
Posted on 11/21/08 at 3:04 pm to
Hey its cool I just wasn't aware that even fans said they won a title.

You are probaly right about the trophy.

Posted by maxbamafan
MS
Member since Nov 2008
66 posts
Posted on 11/21/08 at 3:08 pm to
When you look at UM, you don't think of championships. But a team that can step uup and bite you in the arse if your not ready. Beware tigers.

And I don't think you want to bring Bama into this argument. I agree 3 of our titles are manufactured, but you will still lose that argument.

RTR
Posted by los angeles tiger
1,601 miles from Tiger Stadium
Member since Oct 2003
55976 posts
Posted on 11/21/08 at 3:19 pm to
quote:

They sure did. The way the AP flipped Minnesota around with a loss to Ole Miss' tie (to LSU ) was awful. AP and UPI really did screw Ole Miss.


Ole Miss did get screwed.
Ole Miss was the most consistent football power in the country from 1950-1970 and they had the highest winning percentage in that 20 year span. In the late 50's through the early 70's, the LSU-Ole Miss game was always one of the top games in the nation.

I hate Ole Miss with a passion - GO TO HELL OLE MISS! GO TO HELL!!
Posted by Black Bengal
Pearland, TX
Member since Jan 2005
204 posts
Posted on 11/21/08 at 4:00 pm to
I say we take the USC approach & claim the following years in accordance with the link below:

1908
1935
1936
1958
1962
2003
2007

LINK
Posted by RuLSU
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2007
8064 posts
Posted on 11/21/08 at 4:09 pm to
quote:

I wonder if Princeton claims their supposed 1869 championship - when American football was quite literally just soccer.

How could they? Princeton played one game in 1869 and lost.
Posted by Jackfish28
Mobile
Member since Feb 2007
2112 posts
Posted on 11/21/08 at 8:11 pm to
Children in the late 50-60's before the Bear LSU and Ole Miss were ranked one and two so many times when they played it was unreal. They are almost always both in top ten. It was one of the premier rivalaries in all football. They came Bear and yes the AA athlete, and Ole Miss fell from a preannial national power and we fell out of the top ten.
Posted by usc6158
Member since Feb 2008
35342 posts
Posted on 11/21/08 at 8:13 pm to
quote:

I say we take the USC approach & claim the following years in accordance with the link below:



compared to the Bama approach, SC gives away titles
Posted by lsusportsman2
Member since Oct 2007
27232 posts
Posted on 11/21/08 at 8:16 pm to
old miss is always delusional when it comes it how many national titles they won that it's not even funny.
Posted by EmperorGout
I hate all of you.
Member since Feb 2008
11267 posts
Posted on 11/21/08 at 8:23 pm to
Ole Miss from 1950-70 was as good as any program in the country. And their 1960 title is legit.

That being said, they were a laughingstock before and after. The entire legacy of Ole Miss football spans a twenty year period when they were coached by Johnny Vaught.
Posted by Jackfish28
Mobile
Member since Feb 2007
2112 posts
Posted on 11/21/08 at 8:30 pm to
Agree but Vaught was also part of the cause of the downfall he would not recruit AA, catholics, people from the Coast etc.
Posted by inelishaitrust
Oxford, MS
Member since Jan 2008
26078 posts
Posted on 11/21/08 at 9:43 pm to
quote:

IMO,their 1960 FWAA title is legit.

It is. And is the only title that is legit. Minnesota got the AP title the same year because we were racist. That's it. sole reason. We went undefeated and they had a loss, and they gave Minn a title.
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