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re: Objective Critique thus far of LF
Posted on 9/11/14 at 9:29 am to lsutiger2010
Posted on 9/11/14 at 9:29 am to lsutiger2010
quote:
People just need to give the kid time to show what he can do.
agreed.
But the problem I have is that so many posters on here were blowing LF as the second-coming of Adrian Peterson before he played even one down in college.
Now that he hasn't exploded in the first couple games, those same posters are urging caution in judging LF.
The hypocrisy is startling.
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Posted on 9/11/14 at 9:30 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
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This post was edited on 10/20/21 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 9/11/14 at 9:32 am to TheCaterpillar
quote:
This is stupid. Take kick returns out of it.
Stupid? Kick returns are meaningless yards?
I'll bet Les Miles disagrees.
JEEBUS. The entire premise of comparison is "stupid". But, once an OP establishes a thread "objectively comparing" then others may decide to look at complete stats.
GFY.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 9:33 am to LsuAlum13
You should have posted this over on the SEC Rant. You would have received the adulation you seek there. Now git out. 
Posted on 9/11/14 at 9:34 am to TheCaterpillar
quote:
Take kick returns out of it.
agreed. I've always laughed when stats include "total yards." What a joke.
If your defense is awful and gives up 70 points, that will mean a truckload of kick returns. Even at an average of 20 yards per return, a player can rack up 140 "total yards" while doing nothing special.
I don't mind separately listing return yards, but to simply include returns in total yards really can skew the stats.
Again, be honest, people.
This post was edited on 9/11/14 at 9:35 am
Posted on 9/11/14 at 9:36 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
quote:
Stupid? Kick returns are meaningless yards?
I'll bet Les Miles disagrees.
JEEBUS. The entire premise of comparison is "stupid". But, once an OP establishes a thread "objectively comparing" then others may decide to look at complete stats.
GFY.
Compare apples to apples if you want to do it at all.
Yards on offense would be best. That includes receiving and running.
AD didn't return kicks those games and if he did I bet his yard total would be outrageous.
ETA:
And thats the last time I'm commenting on this comparison. Its fricking dumb all around. Lets wait until he gets a few SEC games under his belt and we can discuss his abilities.
This post was edited on 9/11/14 at 9:38 am
Posted on 9/11/14 at 9:38 am to atltiger6487
exactly, 5 rushing yards earned IS SIGNIFICANTLY more difficult than the first five kick return yards earned... you gotta realize that the kick coverage unit isn't past the 20 by this point usually.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 9:38 am to atltiger6487
This post was edited on 9/11/14 at 9:40 am
Posted on 9/11/14 at 9:38 am to atltiger6487
Countning kick return yards Darren Sproles had the greatest season by any player in the NFL a couple of years ago. So why didn't he win the MVP? because factoring in kick return yardage to a player's profile is when determining their greatness is just downright silly. unless of course you can consistently bring the ball back to around midfield or better. Running the ball five yards deep out of your own endzone to the 20, 4 times for a total of (100 yards) isn't exactly great
This post was edited on 9/11/14 at 9:43 am
Posted on 9/11/14 at 9:40 am to LsuAlum13
The rare triple post.
Impressive.
Impressive.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 9:41 am to atltiger6487
Beckham had tons of all purpose yards last year and people didn't gripe about counting kick and punt returns. But I guess it's ok to bitch about it when being hyper critical of a freshman two games into the season.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 9:43 am to lsu5803tiger
quote:
Beckham had tons of all purpose yards last year and people didn't gripe about counting kick and punt returns. But I guess it's ok to bitch about it when being hyper critical of a freshman two games into the season.
Yikes.
I didn't bitch nor was hypercritical (not sure you know what that means).
I just said when comparing to someone, you should compare apples to apples.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 9:43 am to lsu5803tiger
yeah bc I hate him soo much I have his jersey... yeap you know me
Posted on 9/11/14 at 10:07 am to atltiger6487
First of all, kick returns aren't total yards they are all-purpose yards. Total yards are rushing and receiving yards together.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 10:12 am to LsuAlum13
Fournette's interesting because he's so unique. I think it makes him tougher to evaluate. The first time I saw him on high school film I actually wasn't blown away. Talented, of course. I just wasn't sure of his speed. After everyone ranked him No. 1 I spent a bit more time watching the tape and his speed is really deceiving. We aren't used to guys that size run that well and there are multiple times on his high school tape that guys had clear angles on him and he just ran away from people time and time again.
I think what's going to make him such a huge threat is his ability to catch the football. He's going to create significant matchup problems for defenses. I'm actually more excited about him after two games than I was watching his high school tape. How good will he be? I don't know but he has a really unique talent set.
I think what's going to make him such a huge threat is his ability to catch the football. He's going to create significant matchup problems for defenses. I'm actually more excited about him after two games than I was watching his high school tape. How good will he be? I don't know but he has a really unique talent set.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 10:17 am to TheCaterpillar
Wasn't necessarily directing it at you, yours was the last post in the thread. I get what you're saying but as the season goes I think he'll be an impact to where you can make that comparison.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 10:21 am to LsuAlum13
4.35 came from the Bleacher report. I admit it is a Mcnews source.
4.3 LINK
4.4 LINK /
4.35 CBS LINK
To me, it looks as if a lot of journalists did not do their homework. The eye test makes him look like a 4.4- 4.45 kid. I would still like to know what he really runs.
He does make the first kid that tries to tackle him wish he had gotten an academic scholarship instead of football. He is going to be really good when the coaches open up plays designed to get him the ball in open space. Maybe in 2-3 weeks? Once his breakout game comes he can no longer be hidden.
4.3 LINK
4.4 LINK /
4.35 CBS LINK
To me, it looks as if a lot of journalists did not do their homework. The eye test makes him look like a 4.4- 4.45 kid. I would still like to know what he really runs.
He does make the first kid that tries to tackle him wish he had gotten an academic scholarship instead of football. He is going to be really good when the coaches open up plays designed to get him the ball in open space. Maybe in 2-3 weeks? Once his breakout game comes he can no longer be hidden.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 10:24 am to trooploop
I think the deceptive speed thing is true...he is so big to be that fast. .
I will say that on his 27 yd run vs SHS he did a sick jump cut, basically went backwards to avoid a corner and then outran him...#13 for SHS never made up ground on him...I don't know how fast that CB was but I do know he couldn't weigh more than 180...
I found that run the most impressive thing he did and it got me real excited for the future....
And he showed good hands on two tough receptions...
I will say that on his 27 yd run vs SHS he did a sick jump cut, basically went backwards to avoid a corner and then outran him...#13 for SHS never made up ground on him...I don't know how fast that CB was but I do know he couldn't weigh more than 180...
I found that run the most impressive thing he did and it got me real excited for the future....
And he showed good hands on two tough receptions...
This post was edited on 9/11/14 at 10:29 am
Posted on 9/11/14 at 10:24 am to The Eric
quote:This. I've seen more ignorance on this subject after only two games. People see him running laterally and assume he's trying to get the edge. He's not. He waiting for a damn crease that isn't opening. Talk to the OL. That is the unit that was apparently overhyped, not LF.
Designed outside runs where he is waiting for the hole to open. He will get better at hitting the hole.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 11:18 am to mylsuhat
quote:He said, "is not" Adrian Peterson, not "will not be". "Is" is present tense, not future. The suggestion that he "is" right now, as a true freshman less than 6 months out of high school, on par with what Adrian Peterson "is" right now, as an All-Pro NFL running back, is and was clearly unsupported by his performances so far. But since Adrian Peterson was not, as a freshman after 2 games, equal to what Adrian Peterson is now, as an All-Pro NFL running back, the current observation that Fournette "is not" Adrian Peterson does not in any way suggest that he won't be someday once his future is defined by -- as you suggested -- far more than his first 21 carries.
Clearly we know that is future has been defined by 21 career carries
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