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re: Numbers say, "Les, HIRE A RECRUITER at DC"

Posted on 1/4/15 at 12:56 am to
Posted by Bayoufightingtiger
Member since Aug 2011
4608 posts
Posted on 1/4/15 at 12:56 am to
Anthony Johnson played worst each year in our current system. Seems like Haley did nothing with him while AJ was here. Outside of QB, DL and LB should have been the main focus in recruiting and it wasn't.
Posted by sjmabry
Texas
Member since Aug 2013
18500 posts
Posted on 1/4/15 at 12:57 am to
Better line play makes our already good secondary great.
Posted by ATLTiger
#TreyBiletnikoffs
Member since Sep 2003
44580 posts
Posted on 1/4/15 at 1:00 am to
quote:

I can't remember the last time LSU had Defensive Lineman that had 10+ sacks per year.


I don't think that's ever happened.
Posted by DALSU
Miami
Member since Jun 2014
1697 posts
Posted on 1/4/15 at 1:03 am to
Exactly but other schools have players that are not has heavily recruited putting big sack numbers
look at clemson or mizzo or even sorry arse A&M when they had Von Miller I can go on and on..
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
16497 posts
Posted on 1/4/15 at 1:03 am to
quote:

LSU had Defensive Lineman that had 10+ sacks per year.


Spears had 9 in '04
Sam had 9 in '11 and 8 in '12.

Still searching . . .
Posted by DALSU
Miami
Member since Jun 2014
1697 posts
Posted on 1/4/15 at 1:05 am to
This year

SACKS SACK
1. Shane Ray, MIZZ 14.5
2. Myles Garrett, TA&M 11.5
3. Curt Maggitt, TENN 11.0
4. Markus Golden, MIZZ 10.0
5. Derek Barnett, TENN 10.0
This post was edited on 1/4/15 at 1:08 am
Posted by Bayoufightingtiger
Member since Aug 2011
4608 posts
Posted on 1/4/15 at 1:10 am to
Garrett is like Mingo except Garrett is a sack machine. I would have to think it is coaching. Our players need someone to teach these guys.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
16497 posts
Posted on 1/4/15 at 1:20 am to
LSU season sacks leaders

12 Oliver Lawrence 1989
11 Gabe Northern 1994
10 Rydell Malancon 1981

Only three with => 10 sacks/season. (ref p. 155 of the 2014 Media Guide)
Posted by ATLTiger
#TreyBiletnikoffs
Member since Sep 2003
44580 posts
Posted on 1/4/15 at 1:24 am to
quote:

Spears had 9 in '04



impressive, didn't realize he ever got that many.

I think 9 is the most you're gonna find for a DL.

in fairness to Brick, our DEs in Chavis' scheme aren't necessarily the focus of the pass rush as they are in some other defenses. any of the front 7 in the mustang - 3 DL, 2 LBs or slot DBs - could come free or drop into coverage, and a lot of times the DL would free up some of the faster guys to rush. still we were terrible getting to the QB this yr. Hunter especially, and weirdly because he had a good TFL total.
Posted by ATLTiger
#TreyBiletnikoffs
Member since Sep 2003
44580 posts
Posted on 1/4/15 at 1:27 am to
quote:

11 Gabe Northern 1994


guess I didn't go back far enough. I stopped at the 95 stats. Geaux Gabe.
Posted by NotRight37
Nashville, TN
Member since Jul 2014
5843 posts
Posted on 1/4/15 at 1:49 am to
Rules favoring the offense and innovations in offensive schemes have changed defensive stats. The last three years very few defenses hold people to less than 300 yards anymore on average. I believe LSU has ranked in top 25 in defense YPG nationally since 2002...maybe I'm wrong but not by much.
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
You'll Never Walk Alone
Member since Jun 2011
38380 posts
Posted on 1/4/15 at 2:57 am to
It's hard to recruit a defense in this day and age that will be tailored to stop it all. In recent years LSU has recruited guys to stop the spread...Saban, viewing Lsu as his main competiton year in and year out, has recruited guys to stop lsu.

The results of that are obvious. Lsu is typically better than Alabama at defending spread teams, alabama is typically better than Lsu at defending power teams. Ideally you recruit some of each or find guys that can defend both. When you recruit cookie cutter players you're setting yourself up to get gashed by a style you aren't built to stop.

Play calling is just as important as recruiting though. I don't think recruiting should be the top attribute of a coordinator. There are a dozen position coaches that you can hire to recruit. A great athlete is useless if the coach has him in the wrong spot. (See third and Chavis, or third and Smart nowadays). Hiring a recruiter and putting him in a play caller role is a pretty big gamble, particularly in this league. Every team you face has great athletes, and there are coordinators with a lot of experience calling plays. When guys like that are facing recruiters in a chess match on Saturday the odds aren't in your favor.

The example used in the OP doesn't lend much for compare and contrast. I see 3 well respected coordinators and ten years of talented defenses. Basically it's been the same for a decade. Hiring a guy that's a recruiter and doesn't have play calling experience would be something entirely different from the last 3 coordinators it seems.
This post was edited on 1/4/15 at 3:04 am
Posted by BillyJoeBayou
A trailer park in huoston
Member since Dec 2014
69 posts
Posted on 1/4/15 at 3:01 am to
i oee in algebtq
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
45183 posts
Posted on 1/4/15 at 7:57 am to
Pretty interesting discussion here.
Posted by catholictigerfan
Member since Oct 2009
56025 posts
Posted on 1/4/15 at 7:58 am to
that is why we want to bring CP WITH coach O.
Posted by LSUnKaty
Katy, TX
Member since Dec 2008
4344 posts
Posted on 1/4/15 at 8:05 am to
quote:

I know a guy...
It's clear to me, at this point at least, that Miles has something against Coach O. Maybe it's Frank Wilson or someone else on the staff but there seems to be significant resistance to bringing O in.
Posted by dale10
The Red Stick
Member since May 2006
928 posts
Posted on 1/4/15 at 8:12 am to
quote:

It's clear to me, at this point at least, that Miles has something against Coach O. Maybe it's Frank Wilson or someone else on the staff but there seems to be significant resistance to bringing O in.


Disagree. Brick is the hold up until Miles can work something out with an admin. position for another coach. I'm sure it takes approval above Miles head to ad expense admins.
Posted by AjaxFury
In & out of The Matrix
Member since Sep 2014
9928 posts
Posted on 1/4/15 at 8:29 am to
quote:

BTDD: Stoops isn't a threat to Miles if hired. CP and O would dominate discussions of a coaching change if brought to LSU. Do you think Miles is going to want this?


I was thinking the exact same over here. Let's hope that if he has a real shot at Coach O & P that he does the right thing which is what's best for the program. If he'd rather take a less talented coordinator because he is afraid if competition...I mean, isn't that what he pitches to recruits? He shouldn't be coaching anymore if that's the case. But I doubt it is. I say if they have a shot at those 2...take it
Posted by LeeHOswald
Dallas
Member since Oct 2014
144 posts
Posted on 1/4/15 at 8:32 am to
Great post TopsInAmericaTim.
Posted by dos crystal
Georgia
Member since Aug 2008
4720 posts
Posted on 1/4/15 at 8:36 am to
quote:

Realize the change in offensive philosophy across the NCAA during that time.

Spread offenses were gimmicky in 2004. Hell, they were called system qb's and laughed at.

tl;dr: don't kid yourself.



Didn't we play oregon that year? that defense dominated that arse. It's players. That defense would dominate their arse again. Hard to run the zone read when brockers or logan is in the backfield tackling your arse. it's hard to bust a long run when mingo is running down fast guys like Lamichael james.
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