re: Now that the regular season is over: A comparison of Harris and Etling

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Better late than never....I think more important fact is that u fudged numbers to make an argument?

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Nope, sure didnt. Here is where I got my 2015 and 2016 numbers(40% & 42%). I havent once made shite up or intended to mislead

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Some other interesting stats would be the TEAM's total yards in games started by each, QBR (some deride this stat but it does at least try to take into account game situations, rushing and other factors besides "passing"), and quality of opponent, especially good wins and particularly bad losses (if any).

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Here are the team stats by both in complete games started, in order of defensive rank

Harris



Bama-3rd ranked defense------182 total yards-----16 points

UF-6th ranked defense--------423 yards-------35 points

Wisky-7th ranked defense--------257 yards--------14 points


A&M-51st ranked defense-------327yards-----19 points

Ole Miss-54th ranked defense-------508 yards------17 points

Miss state-56th ranked defense--------337 yards------21 points

Arky-58th ranked defense-----330 yards-------14 points

Auburn-71st ranked defense----485 yards-----45 points

Western Kentucky-71st ranked defnese------497 yards-----48 points


USC-95th ranked defense------624 yards------45 points

Syracuse-99th ranked defense-------425 yards--------34 points



TTU-127th ranked defense-------638 yards-------56 points

423 yards per game ------31 points per game-------- average defense rank=54


Etling



Bama-1st ranked defense----125 yards-----0 points

UF--6th ranked defense------423 yards--------10 points

Southern Miss-18th ranked defense------459 yards-------45 points

Auburn-21st ranked defense--------338 yards------13 points

Arky-72nd ranked defense---------547 yards-------38 points

A&M-92nd ranked defense--------622 yards-------54 points

Miss state-110th ranked defense---------392 yards------23 points

Ole Miss-110th ranked defense----------516 yards--------38 points

Mizzou-117th ranked defense-----------634 yards--------42 points

450 yards per game ------29.2 points per game--------- Average defense rank= 61

Situational Stats: LINK

Etling
1st Quarter 67.7%
2nd Quarter 57.7%
3rd Quarter 56.1%
4th Quarter 58.0%

Harris
1st Quarter 57.4%
2nd Quarter 52.8%
3rd Quarter 52.5%
4th Quarter 52.2%


Etling (Games, Attempts, Comp, Perc)
Winning By 15+ Pts 6, 52, 32, 61.5%
Winning By 8-14 Pts 6, 26, 16, 61.5%
Winning By 1-7 Pts 8, 44, 28, 63.6%
Tied 9, 57, 33, 57.9%
Losing By 1-7 Pts 6 55 32 58.2%
Losing By 8-14 Pts 2, 6, 3, 50.0%
Losing By 15+ Pts 0, 0, 0, -


Harris (Games, Attempts, Comp, Perc)
Winning By 15+ Pts 4, 15, 11, 73.3%
Winning By 8-14 Pts 8, 44, 21, 47.7%
Winning By 1-7 Pts 9, 66, 36, 54.5%
Tied 9, 29, 17, 58.6%
Losing By 1-7 Pts 6, 37, 18, 48.6%
Losing By 8-14 Pts 3, 17, 10, 58.8%
Losing By 15+ Pts 3, 68, 35, 51.5%


First thing that stands out: Etling is better in every situation with a similar sample size.

Second thing that stands out: 1st Quarter is exceptional for Etling.

Third thing that stands out: Etling has no stats when losing in a blowout. Harris has his largest sample of throws in blowout losses, very weak when the game is close.

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I agree with you regarding stats, obviously as they say "stats don't lie" but when things are so close you now can put the subjective part into the equation and the eyeball test is CLEARLY in the favor of Etling. Harris always looked like a deer in the head lights in the pocket where Etling was a hell of a lot more polished and looked in control "except for the Bama game - which is understandable." That and Harris missed way too many WIDE open receivers. So stats say they are equal but eyeball test says they weren't even that close!

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It's not even that.

When Harris had 9 TDs and 0 INTs through around 7 or 8 games last season, there wasn't a single person posting about how Harris didn't pass the eyeball test.

It's how Harris arrived at the same overall averages as Etling that's the issue. He started and his peak was higher than Etling, but he's regressed to where his low end is worse than Etling.

Harris had his stats bolstered by including the easy parts of the schedule, but not Etling.

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Etling was greatly helped out by throwing for 300+ yards against TAMU. Really the stats are even closer than they appear on here

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I don't understand this logic? Was the TAMU game not a game he played? Why would you discount those statistics?

Screw the statistical comparisons....a lot is because of the intangibles....that's why BH will probably not start again at LSU

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Screw the statistical comparisons....a lot is because of the intangibles

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I agree.

In Etling's first game, he audibled at the goal line for a TD. Before that, I'd forgotten what an audible looked like at LSU.

It was nice to see Etling drop a shoulder against an outside rush and step up into the pocket. Jennings/Harris would roll-out into the DE pressure and while racing to the sideline heave an awkward/desperate pass.

Etling made TE's, intermediate routes, and RB dump offs legit chain-moving options again for LSU. Jennings/Harris looked for PA bombs with only the X or the Y WRs.

Etling has his weaknesses and faults, but he is still an upgrade.

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Curious how Harris would have played after the coaching change. If he would have been more free and we would have seen more from him.

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His problem was throwing the ball. Incredibly inaccurate. That was true in high school, summer programs, and under Les Miles. Would have been the same under Coach O.

They both played under miles this year and etling preformed much better. Doesn't matter whos coaching Harris isn't an sec level qb.