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re: Now that the regular season is over: A comparison of Harris and Etling
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:10 pm to boweswi05
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:10 pm to boweswi05
quote:Except that he also showed the stats that showed Etling was clearly better than a regressed Harris against similar defenses.
We know why!! BH is black and DE is white. They will always give the white QB the benefit of doubt.
You have showed the stats in almost every category are identical but yet they refuse to acknowledge it.
So the only other thing I can be is race
But let's not talk about that, let's play that race card!!!! So lazy and lacking any intellect to resort to that.
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Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:12 pm to shel311
Funny the black players have no problem with Etling they love him but when there is no argument to be won or any facts that support an argument losers always play the race card as a last resort.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:13 pm to boweswi05
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It had to be said. Just LSUPRIDE has listed a lot of stats where they were identical or one was better than the other or vise versa.
Yet you guys give him down votes on every stat he post like it isn't true. So the only other thing it could be is race.
His overall stats are true, and also miseadling when ignoring the regression. For you to say it can ONLY be race means you're insinuating that Harris played just as well at the beginning of 2015 than he did towards the end and beginning of 2016. Sure you wanna stick with the argument? I'll give you a chance to go ahead and concede and backtrack on that one, I know you don't want to insinuate that.
It's no different than Miles. Were you in favor of keeping or firing Miles? After all, his overall record was fantastic over 12 years.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:16 pm to UpToPar
quote:We passed 4 of the 1st 5 plays against Wisconsin this season. Is is that really THAT much of a difference?
How about coming out and throwing the ball 4 straight times. When's the last time Les Miles called 4 straight pass plays to open a game? Idiot.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:16 pm to shel311
Harris best play was actually the middle of 2015, due to the competition. Then, good again the last game. The only outlier to me is A&M, which he ducked horribly. I answered that and you can disagree but don't act like I ignored it and tried to mislead people
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:19 pm to lsupride87
quote:In fairness to you, you did post the stats.
Harris best play was actually the middle of 2015, due to the competition. Then, good again the last game. The only outlier to me is A&M, which he ducked horribly. I answered that and you can disagree but don't act like I ignored it and tried to mislead people
They were clearly in favor of Etling by any objective measure, I just don't know how you didn't see that.
Also, A&M, Ole Miss, and Bama were all horrible games for Harris.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:20 pm to lsupride87
quote:6.3 YPA, 2 INTs and 2 turnovers is not a horrible game?
I would not call it a horrible game
quote:I did not say that.
And lol saying we blow out Wisky with Etling. That's the hottest of hot takes
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:21 pm to Salmon
Etling... A no-brainer. Etling just looks more comfortable. Dont change now. We are moving in the right direction. Let the new OC make that call.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:21 pm to lsupride87
quote:
Dude I have posted stats
YES YOU DID...........
BUT...... Being A QB at a major school has ALOT more to do with than just STATS,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
WHEN will you get this through your head.................
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:21 pm to shel311
I said A&M was horrible
Bama was clearly horrible, but so is Etling against them
And I don't think Harris was "horrible" against ole miss. We have gone back and forth with this so there is no need to keep doing it
Bama was clearly horrible, but so is Etling against them
And I don't think Harris was "horrible" against ole miss. We have gone back and forth with this so there is no need to keep doing it
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:22 pm to dukke v
quote:i already have it in my head. Which is why I said Etling should have started this year
WHEN will you get this through your head.................
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:23 pm to shel311
quote:He also had 380 ish yards of offense. So no, not horrible
6.3 YPA, 2 INTs and 2 turnovers is not a horrible game?
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:37 pm to lsupride87
quote:Just throwing it out there but it sounds like you were saying the offense hadn't changed, but now you're saying it did. That's how I interpreted it.
I said the improvement was overstated and the results had a lot to do with the level of competition. And I got bashed for it.........
If the offense didn't change and was improved(even if the improvement was overstated, it still improved), what's the one change that may have had something to do with that?
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:38 pm to lsupride87
quote:Again, I said current Etling is better than the regressed version of Harris.
Having shel argue against statistical data feels so wrong.
You posted stats that objectively proved that to be so.
I don't get what's so confusing about that.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:40 pm to lsupride87
quote:Well, the OP is that Harris's total average stats are virtually the same as Etling, that is virtually indisputable. That is so.
shel, can you at least follow the point of the thread? And admit there is not a lightyears difference?
There's way more to that story, but all that is in your OP is true, yes.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:41 pm to shel311
There was a slight change in the offensive play calling, but it was overstated due to competition. And like I said, the scoring didn't really change
30 ppg under Harris
30 ppg under Etling
Not sure where the gotcha moment is there
30 ppg under Harris
30 ppg under Etling
Not sure where the gotcha moment is there
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:42 pm to lsupride87
quote:1. Because he threw the ball so horribly(see 51 attempts on 6.3YPA) and turned it over so much that we played catch up in the 2nd half.
He also had 380 ish yards of offense. So no, not horrible
2. When you have 2 INTs and 2 fumbles and are generally horrible in the 1st half putting us behind and playing catchup, you'll probably need a good bit more than 380 yards(especially on 51 attempts) to not be considered awful IMO.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:44 pm to lsupride87
quote:Again, the regression.
30 ppg under Harris
30 ppg under Etling
Not sure where the gotcha moment is there
What was it that I posted earlier, 5 of our last 6 games under Harris we scored less than 20? Maybe 4 of 5, I don't recall. And in all but I think 1 of those, you can clearly say Harris was the main issue.
So yea, the offense changed little but the results instantly got much better from the previous 7 or so games, with Etling being the only big change.
I really only see 2 of those games for Etling this season.
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 8:45 pm
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:45 pm to shel311
quote:I agree and I don't think I have hid that
Well, the OP is that Harris's total average stats are virtually the same as Etling, that is virtually indisputable. That is so.
There's way more to that story, but all that is in your OP is true, yes.
I understand that Etling should have stayed the starter, as it seems Harris checked out. I honestly believe O would have played first if Harris kept working hard.
My point was if you think Harris sucks and gives us no chance to get where we want to be, IMHO you should feel the same about Etling
Does that make sense? I know it is a convoluted point, but my point is not that harris should have played this season
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:47 pm to lsupride87
3rd down efficiency would be a good marker for comparison.
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