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No QB coach on the sidelines is shafting our QBs
Posted on 11/19/14 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 11/19/14 at 4:53 pm
I understand that Cameron prefers to coach from the press box, but there is a huge issue here especially with young players.
I rewatched Harris' play in the Auburn game and it sickened me to death to see our starting QB in the game on a bench by himself with no coaches talking to him between drives. Periodically Jennings and Kragthorpe would talk to him, but that is a method of coaching young players that almost always fails.
The kid was unsettled as Jennings was in some of the other games (see Arky for an example), and there was literally no coaching leadership to help them through it during the game. This is a disturbing trend under Miles. This may not be directly at him but if the QB coach isn't around, it is no wonder these kids struggle so much in game.
I have no idea honestly how being in the box helps Cameron with his playcalling since it is so predictable and rarely adjusts to what the opponent is doing, but add on the time to relay his calls down to the field and then to the QB and then to the players and you get the shite show we see each weekend this year.
I truly believe this is an area where LSU is stunting the development of all of its QBs. What do the rest of you think?
I rewatched Harris' play in the Auburn game and it sickened me to death to see our starting QB in the game on a bench by himself with no coaches talking to him between drives. Periodically Jennings and Kragthorpe would talk to him, but that is a method of coaching young players that almost always fails.
The kid was unsettled as Jennings was in some of the other games (see Arky for an example), and there was literally no coaching leadership to help them through it during the game. This is a disturbing trend under Miles. This may not be directly at him but if the QB coach isn't around, it is no wonder these kids struggle so much in game.
I have no idea honestly how being in the box helps Cameron with his playcalling since it is so predictable and rarely adjusts to what the opponent is doing, but add on the time to relay his calls down to the field and then to the QB and then to the players and you get the shite show we see each weekend this year.
I truly believe this is an area where LSU is stunting the development of all of its QBs. What do the rest of you think?
This post was edited on 11/19/14 at 5:09 pm
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Posted on 11/19/14 at 4:54 pm to Geauxgurt
Good point.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 4:56 pm to Geauxgurt
it's like the only guys talking to cameron are kragthorpe and miles.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 4:56 pm to Geauxgurt
I can certainly see your point. There needs to be someone there other than Kragthorpe going over mistakes and, well, coaching.
Maybe it's Cam, maybe it's not. I can see the benefit to him staying in the box (field view), but someone needs to stay and coach.
I wouldn't expect it of Miles, since he has to be the head coach, but somebody should be there.
Maybe it's Cam, maybe it's not. I can see the benefit to him staying in the box (field view), but someone needs to stay and coach.
I wouldn't expect it of Miles, since he has to be the head coach, but somebody should be there.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 4:56 pm to Geauxgurt
I've been saying this for the past two seasons. I hate that these guys are in the booth. Granted, they can see more of the field, but I think it would do our QB's a lot better to have the OC down there discussing what just happened.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 4:57 pm to Geauxgurt
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and it sickened me to death to see our starting QB in the game on a bench by himself with no coaches talking to him between drives. Periodically Jennings and Kragthorpe would talk to him, but that is a method of coaching young players that almost always fails.
Didn't he have a headset on? There might have been some communication there, and you don't know what goes on when the camera is not pointing at him.
This post was edited on 11/19/14 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 11/19/14 at 4:57 pm to Geauxgurt
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I have no idea honestly how being in the box helps Cameron with his playcalling
Nearly 100% of non-HC offensive coordinators, NFL and college, call the game from the box. Unfortunately, there is no QB coach, as that is Cam's quandry - a QB coach would be on the sidelines. They've put Brad Kragthorpe in that role the past 2 years as a player/coach.
I think they have to see the alignment and that is just much tougher from the sideline. They do talk on the headset, but there is no face-to-face contact, for sure. Ensminger is on the sideline, as is Miles, but I don't think the OC is going to call the game from the sideline so he can talk to the QB in person between series.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 5:00 pm to Geauxgurt
A lot of times they put headsets on and can talk to Cam. They can also talk to the other players and I've seen both Harris and Jennings talking to Miles at points.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 5:00 pm to Geauxgurt
quote:I believe you have hit on a major flaw in the LSU coaching approach. And does explain a lot about lack of QB confidence, progress, and definitely about the confusion between plays being called and them getting out onto the field in a timely way.
our starting QB in the game on a bench by himself with no coaches talking to him between drives. Periodically Jennings and Kragthorpe would talk to him, but that is a method of coaching young players that almost always fails...no idea honestly how being in the box helps Cameron with his playcalling...I truly believe this is an area where LSU is stunting the development of all of its QBs.
But that being said, I have no illusion that CLM is going to change this approach.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 5:02 pm to Geauxgurt
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I have no idea honestly how being in the box helps Cameron with his playcalling since it is so predictable
Cameron is royalty. He gets a booth. You can't expect him to rub shoulders with students, can you?
Posted on 11/19/14 at 5:02 pm to Geauxgurt
quote:
I understand that Cameron prefers to coach from the press box, but there is a huge issue here especially with young players.
I rewatched Harris' play in the Auburn game and it sickened me to death to see our starting QB in the game on a bench by himself with no coaches talking to him between drives. Periodically Jennings and Kragthorpe would talk to him, but that is a method of coaching young players that almost always fails.
The kid was unsettled as Jennings was in some of the other games (see Arky for an example), and there was literally no coaching leadership to help them through it during the game. This is a disturbing trend under Miles. This may not be directly at him but if the QB coach isn't around, it is no wonder these kids struggle so much in game.
I have no idea honestly how being in the box helps Cameron with his playcalling since it is so predictable and rarely adjusts to what the opponent is doing, but add on the time to relay his calls down to the field and then to the QB and then to the players and you get the shite show we see each weekend this year.
I truly believe this is an area where LSU is stunting the development of all of its QBs. What do the rest of you think?
I agree with this 100%.
Your title sucks though.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 5:04 pm to Ace Midnight
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They've put Brad Kragthorpe in that role the past 2 years as a player/coach.
Dont understand this at all
Posted on 11/19/14 at 5:04 pm to Geauxgurt
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I truly believe this is an area where LSU is stunting the development of all of its QBs. What do the rest of you think?
I agree with you and have been saying that since Metts time here. What the frick do I know though?
Posted on 11/19/14 at 5:11 pm to Geauxgurt
quote:I noticed this during the game. If the coach refuses to be on the sideline at least utilize the headset.
it sickened me to death to see our starting QB in the game on a bench by himself with no coaches talking to him between drives
Posted on 11/19/14 at 5:12 pm to Ace Midnight
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Nearly 100% of non-HC offensive coordinators, NFL and college, call the game from the box. Unfortunately, there is no QB coach, as that is Cam's quandry - a QB coach would be on the sidelines. They've put Brad Kragthorpe in that role the past 2 years as a player/coach.
I think they have to see the alignment and that is just much tougher from the sideline. They do talk on the headset, but there is no face-to-face contact, for sure. Ensminger is on the sideline, as is Miles, but I don't think the OC is going to call the game from the sideline so he can talk to the QB in person between series.
Again, while I realize talk through headsets periodically, this isn't the NFL and it is significantly easier when the coach is there talking to you.
I harken back to the 2011 OL, albeit a different position. Having Wilkerson as an on the field coach for the OL really helped when Studs was in the booth. In 2012, we saw a lot of struggles on the OL without Wilkerson there.
Same goes for Lee improving that year with Kragthorpe able to focus on coaching him up during games.
In the end, we have a useless TE coach that does literally nothing but cash his pay checks, but our QBs rarely get face time outside of the locker room once a game starts.
That's a huge issue and it doesn't surprise me that we blow timeouts because of poor play communication. I could care less if Cameron can see the field if he can't get the call in until 10 seconds left on the play clock.
Another thing is that in the pros, the QBs have receivers in their helmets to receive the calls, which is significantly different from college football.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 5:19 pm to Geauxgurt
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I truly believe this is an area where LSU is stunting the development of all of its QBs. What do the rest of you think?
Absolutely
Posted on 11/19/14 at 6:11 pm to Geauxgurt
I can understand CC being in the booth with Mettenberger at QB but he absolutely should've been on the field this year. I'm not saying he needs to be yelling/pointing out who to throw it to pre-snap like Bama's OC but with having two puppies at QB, the owner needs to be close by.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 6:16 pm to Geauxgurt
Cam is in the right place but someone needs to be on the sidelines dealing with the QB's
Posted on 11/19/14 at 6:19 pm to Geauxgurt
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I rewatched Harris' play in the Auburn game and it sickened me to death to see our starting QB in the game on a bench by himself with no coaches talking to him between drives. Periodically Jennings and Kragthorpe would talk to him, but that is a method of coaching young players that almost always fails.
did you watch him the whole time?
Posted on 11/19/14 at 6:24 pm to Geauxgurt
This would be a good question for Les, call it in.
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