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re: NFL.com: MSU's Cousins, LSU's Jefferson improve draft grades
Posted on 3/2/12 at 1:09 pm to Powerman
Posted on 3/2/12 at 1:09 pm to Powerman
quote:
Will never play a meaningful down in the NFL
yes and the same might be said of houston texans 1st pick ever david carr, and jefferson might never play a meaningful down and still make a great living.
good luck jj
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Posted on 3/2/12 at 1:17 pm to TiegerTim
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Rank Player Pos. Pos. Rank School Class Ht. Wt. Proj. Round
345 Jarrett Lee QB 19 LSU rSr 6-1 206 ––
403 Jordan Jefferson QB 22 LSU Sr 6-4 223 ––
link
both going undrafted would not be a surprise. it would also not be a surprise if someone took a flier on one or both in a late round
good luck to them both
Posted on 3/2/12 at 1:21 pm to EarthwormJim
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What's your point? That's one set of rankings from CBSSports. This thread was discussing an article from nfl.com about Jefferon's improved draft status. It was also mostly in response to those saying Jefferson was the worst performer at the combine.
Okay, so subjective ranks by media outlets can only be posted if it's in response to something?
What's the harm in posting a link those rankings on the CBS website? Why is that such a problem for you to have to see?
This post was edited on 3/2/12 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 3/2/12 at 1:29 pm to Boh
quote:
Okay, so subjective ranks by media outlets can only be posted if it's in response to something?
What's the harm in posting a link those rankings on the CBS website? Why is that such a problem for you to have to see?
Ok dude, that post was obviously pointing out that Lee was ranked higher than Jefferson by CBSSports as some sort of gotcha, and that same poster was crapping on Jefferson's chances of making an NFL team.
So again what was the point of posting that in a thread that's about Jefferson performing well at the combine?
All LSU fans should hope both QBs succeed and get a chance in the NFL instead of making it into some sort of competition between the 2.
Posted on 3/2/12 at 2:43 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Flynn was not a great qb at LSU. He was avg. 4 ints vs Bama. He sucked against Kentucky an Arkansas. Against Kentucky Hos compl% was LESS than 50 %. It's amazing how he is seen as this great qb while at LSU.
Ok "great" may be a little much but Flynn was very good. Consider this (and I dunno 'bout his HS) but his team has never scored less than 27 pts in regulation in CFB/NFL with him as a starter. Ain't many QB's that can say that.
To balance some of your comments out, our '07 team had a new QB, only one returning receiver (Early) who was hurt for several games, new receivers' coach, new OL coach, one receiver with a huge case of the drops (LaFell).
Flynn threw ints on 3 straight possessions vs Bama but he also threw for 3TDs and 353 yds. He had a TD dropped vs UK (Zinger in the EZ) and another called back vs Arky (to Hester when Early lined up wrong). He played much of '07 hurt.
LSU-UK '07
LSU-Bama '07
LSU-Arky '07
This post was edited on 3/2/12 at 9:18 pm
Posted on 3/2/12 at 2:55 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Flynn was not a great qb at LSU. He was avg. 4 ints vs Bama. He sucked against Kentucky an Arkansas. Against Kentucky Hos compl% was LESS than 50 %. It's amazing how he is seen as this great qb while at LSU.
Who gives frick what people think? You people get in booger flicking contests over this stuff, worrying so much about what someone says and trying to prove them wrong, celebrating when they are wrong, disappearing when you are wrong.
Flynn was still 10x better than JJ/Lee. You can throw out all the stats you want, it doesn't matter. I would take Flynn over those two in any game, any time.
Posted on 3/2/12 at 3:07 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I would take Flynn over those two in any game, any time.
Definitely.
Posted on 3/2/12 at 3:26 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Are u mad lil guy?
Posted on 3/2/12 at 3:30 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Sorry I correct someone when they say how great Flynn was and how shitty JJ was. Sorry stats prove you wrong. It's not my fault. Nothing you say will change that JJ had a higher qb rating in 09 than Flynn in 07. Nothing. So call it booger flicking or shite. Just know it a frickin fact.
This post was edited on 3/2/12 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 3/2/12 at 3:48 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Sorry I correct someone when they say how great Flynn was and how shitty JJ was. Sorry stats prove you wrong. It's not my fault. Nothing you say will change that JJ had a higher qb rating in 09 than Flynn in 07. Nothing. So call it booger flicking or shite. Just know it a frickin fact.
You have to live with your particular delusion, not I. This is one of those "some people have it worse than you" moments when my day suddenly brightened.
Posted on 3/2/12 at 3:53 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Nothing you say will change that JJ had a higher qb rating in 09 than Flynn in 07
willing to wager on how many professionals: nfl scouts, GMs, and college coaches who would have preferred to have JJ in 09 versus MF in 07.
im gonna go out on a limb and say not a damn one.
Posted on 3/2/12 at 3:56 pm to jcole4lsu
Posted on 3/2/12 at 4:01 pm to ChemE in the OP
quote:
Called 5th or 6th round in early December...
Yeah, that's not something to brag about.
Posted on 3/2/12 at 4:11 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:Facts don't mean shite when it comes to who will play in the NFL and who will not.
Sorry I correct someone when they say how great Flynn was and how shitty JJ was. Sorry stats prove you wrong. It's not my fault. Nothing you say will change that JJ had a higher qb rating in 09 than Flynn in 07. Nothing. So call it booger flicking or shite. Just know it a frickin fact.
Fact: JR was considered a number one draft pick.
Fact: JR was a huge failure in the NFL.
See what I mean. Takes more than just stats against inferior opponents to make it in the NFL.
Posted on 3/2/12 at 4:19 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Nothing you say will change that JJ had a higher qb rating in 09 than Flynn in 07.
I think JJ had a higher rating in 2011 than he did in 2009 - which tells you the rating system wasn't a very good indicator IMO
I had hopes that JJ was going to be a solid LSU QB after the 2009 season. On paper you did look back and say "you know maybe he was better than I thought". But two more years of struggling convinced me otherwise.
JJ still deserves credit for helping us win the Nov Alabama game. He deserves some criticism for throwing the coaching staff under the bus (when they always stood behind him) after the BCS NCG.
Good luck to him and JL. I hope we only hear good things about them from here on in.
Posted on 3/2/12 at 4:25 pm to MasonTiger
quote:LOL, I am not saying JJ will be a great NFL player, or even a bad one, but just because you can state that one prospect who was overrated by one team did not pan out does not mean facts don't matter.
Facts don't mean shite when it comes to who will play in the NFL and who will not.
Fact: JR was considered a number one draft pick.
Fact: JR was a huge failure in the NFL.
See what I mean. Takes more than just stats against inferior opponents to make it in the NFL.
Fact: Peyton Manning was considered a #1 draft pick.
Fact: Peyton Manning was a huge success in the NFL.
These statements don't prove that facts do matter any more than your statements prove that they don't. It's just a stupid, completely illogical argument.
This post was edited on 3/2/12 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 3/2/12 at 4:28 pm to Gravitiger
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It's just a stupid, completely illogical argument.
So is the one trying to equate JJ to Flynn.
Posted on 3/2/12 at 4:32 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
I would take Flynn over those two in any game, any time.
Big +1
Posted on 3/2/12 at 4:42 pm to la_birdman
Fifth round, that's rich. But hell, Tim Tebow went in the first round, so who knows. JJ DID get invited to the combine, which was somewhat surprising. But I look at it this way. Maybe the NFL coaches don't know what to make of Miles and staff and wanted to see what he could do. I wish him well, but if he plays a single down (without taking a sack and folding like a lawn chair) I will have to seriously re-evaluate my views of Miles and staff.
Posted on 3/2/12 at 4:55 pm to bojabu
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I will have to seriously re-evaluate my views of Miles and staff.
Will you post your in depth analysis for us to read? We are all waiting for it as usual.
Thanks
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