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Newsflash for those that think we're in a decline
Posted on 12/4/09 at 7:58 am
Posted on 12/4/09 at 7:58 am
The program is EXACTLY where Saban left it in 2004--assuming we lose the Bowl game b/c he did(on a coaching gaff nonetheless). Chill out--you guys are no fun to be around.
Quit ignoring the facts to support your agenda. Can you just enjoy the fact that we got alot better than last year and have a great shot at a top ten finish?
Declining programs get WORSE---from where I'm sitting 9-3 > 7-5.
Don't give me this "yeah, but we could've lost two or three more easily" bullshite. We didn't lose. Good teams, good players, and good coaching find ways to win. Winning the close games is a GOOD thing.
Recruit like hell, fix some coahing problems and we're good. Miles has done a good job of fixing problems in offseasons, so give it a chance.
I'm not a Miles apologist, but be realistic---he's going nowhere and bitching everyday is no way to go through life
Quit ignoring the facts to support your agenda. Can you just enjoy the fact that we got alot better than last year and have a great shot at a top ten finish?
Declining programs get WORSE---from where I'm sitting 9-3 > 7-5.
Don't give me this "yeah, but we could've lost two or three more easily" bullshite. We didn't lose. Good teams, good players, and good coaching find ways to win. Winning the close games is a GOOD thing.
Recruit like hell, fix some coahing problems and we're good. Miles has done a good job of fixing problems in offseasons, so give it a chance.
I'm not a Miles apologist, but be realistic---he's going nowhere and bitching everyday is no way to go through life
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Posted on 12/4/09 at 8:00 am to NorthEnd
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The program is EXACTLY where Saban left it in 2004
No, its not.
Posted on 12/4/09 at 8:03 am to NorthEnd
You forgot one thing! Saban is freaking 24-2 in the last 2 years!
Don't give me the same lame excuse of "Get over Saban he isn't coming back" I know he isn't going to coach at LSU anymore but anyone who thinks Miles is on par with Saban as a HC has their head in the freaking mud..
Don't give me the same lame excuse of "Get over Saban he isn't coming back" I know he isn't going to coach at LSU anymore but anyone who thinks Miles is on par with Saban as a HC has their head in the freaking mud..
This post was edited on 12/4/09 at 8:05 am
Posted on 12/4/09 at 8:05 am to KLSU
quote:And NOT at LSU. So get over your Nicky penis envy and move on.
You forgot one thing! Saban is freaking 24-2 in the last 2 years!
Posted on 12/4/09 at 8:05 am to KLSU
well,the case could be made that Saban is doing a better job at Alabama than at LSU. His third team at LSU was mediocre at best. His third team at Alabama is one game from the title game.
Posted on 12/4/09 at 8:07 am to KLSU
Question for the OP. Did Saban have to fire his OC and DC in successive years for lack of performance?
If firing your two primary assistants in successive years isn't a sign of decline, I don't know what is.
If firing your two primary assistants in successive years isn't a sign of decline, I don't know what is.
Posted on 12/4/09 at 8:07 am to KLSU
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You forgot one thing! Saban is freaking 24-2 in the last 2 years!
Bout to be 24-3, which isn't lightyears ahead of what Miles did as well.
Posted on 12/4/09 at 8:13 am to LJBurton
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If firing your two primary assistants in successive years isn't a sign of decline, I don't know what is
I would say it's a sign that you're addressing the factors that are causing you to underperform. Not firing them would indicate more a decline in the program.
Posted on 12/4/09 at 8:13 am to Volvagia
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Bout to be 24-3, which isn't lightyears ahead of what Miles did as well.
Why dont you compare the state of LSUs program when freaking Miles stepped in to LSU's and Bama's when Saban stepped in.
Miles is nowhere close to saban or meyer. Hes a 2nd tier coach in this conference living off of great recruiting a decent coordinator hire every now and then.
Posted on 12/4/09 at 8:16 am to LJBurton
quote:No most of his assistants left every year because Saban is a huge prick to work for and he can't keep coaches around. I know you don't want to compare coaching staff turnover in a Miles staff versus a Saban staff.
Did Saban have to fire his OC and DC in successive years for lack of performance?
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If firing your two primary assistants in successive years isn't a sign of decline, I don't know what is.
Hell, Saban is on his 2nd or 3rd OC at Bama. Are they in decline? That is a stupid conclusion to draw.
Posted on 12/4/09 at 8:17 am to ForeLSU
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If firing your two primary assistants in successive years isn't a sign of decline, I don't know what is
I would say it's a sign that you're addressing the factors that are causing you to underperform. Not firing them would indicate more a decline in the program.
So, you see this is a great OPPORTUNITY for Miles, rather than a recent downward trend that he is RESPONSIBLE for?
I am looking forward to see which assistant(s) are offered up as next year's sacrificial lambs. Certainly, someone other than Miles will continue to be responsible for any shortcomings in the future.
Posted on 12/4/09 at 8:18 am to KLSU
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Saban is freaking 24-2 in the last 2 years
And still hasn't won 'the big one'. Or really gotten in it. If he 'falls short' again this year, I'm not sure which coach (Miles or Saban)has a worse 'expectation to reality' ratio.
Posted on 12/4/09 at 8:18 am to XbengalTiger
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That is a stupid conclusion to draw.
No, it isn't. It's a perfect conclusion to draw. When your Defense is terrible, and the next year your Offense is terrible, what other conclusion can you draw?
Posted on 12/4/09 at 8:19 am to XbengalTiger
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Hell, Saban is on his 2nd or 3rd OC at Bama. Are they in decline? That is a stupid conclusion to draw.
his DC split last year and there are rumors that Smart is tired of working for Lord Saban as well...
Posted on 12/4/09 at 8:20 am to TheWant
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Ur an idiot saban had just lost NC talent from the year before.
Ok, so which is it:
1. Saban's excuse for a 9-3 2004 is that he lost NC talent from 2003.
or
2. Miles only won because of Saban's talent.
Posted on 12/4/09 at 8:20 am to XbengalTiger
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No most of his assistants left every year because Saban is a huge prick to work for and he can't keep coaches around. I know you don't want to compare coaching staff turnover in a Miles staff versus a Saban staff
Did you miss the part where I typed, "for lack of performance?"
I know Saban is a huge prick. That was pretty much common knowledge around LSU during his tenure here. He had a track record of running his staff off.
The point of the post is that that OP claims we are not in decline. Perhaps I should phrase it differently. If you alternate between having a terrible defense and a terrible offense in successive years, what kind of trend are you on? A good one, or a bad one?
This post was edited on 12/4/09 at 8:24 am
Posted on 12/4/09 at 8:23 am to NorthEnd
Some of you guys are comparing apples and oranges. Is Saban a better coach than Miles? I'm sure most would agree but thats not the topic. What's the state of the program, even compared to when Saban left? And don't try to compare what the program was like when Saban arrived, again apples to oranges. I like Miles, not thrilled, but when I look at the LSU football program when Saban left compared to today I don't see much difference. You can debate who's a better coach but as far as wins, recruiting, and what's attainable in the near future, not much difference in my opinion.
Posted on 12/4/09 at 8:23 am to ForeLSU
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his DC split last year and there are rumors that Smart is tired of working for Lord Saban as well...
Lou tepper could be Saban's DC and it wouldn't matter. Saban brings something to the table. DEFENSE. His DC is a non issue, all saban needs to be successful is a good OC. Miles has to have 2 top coordintors and will still drop at least 2 games.
What does Miles bring to the table? Oline coaching? Great morals? A clean program, see DJ McCarthy? Give me a fricking break.
This post was edited on 12/4/09 at 8:25 am
Posted on 12/4/09 at 8:26 am to LJBurton
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So, you see this is a great OPPORTUNITY for Miles, rather than a recent downward trend that he is RESPONSIBLE for?
no, I see it as him doing his job, which is to try to make the program the best it can be. Whether, or not, he's successful at that remains to be seen...
Posted on 12/4/09 at 8:27 am to NorthEnd
People who watch the actual game instead of the scores/highlights on ESPN disagree.
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